Matt Corral has been cut

[Jon Snow]

12 minutes ago, Shocker said:

We should have drafted Fields…but we have to be realistic.  As good as he is with Rhule and company he is probably no where.  Will say Stroud has a serious chance to be good but I stand by my prediction that Anthony Richardson will bust.  I hope not.  He has ridiculous talent but being thrown to the wolves this early is not a good development for him IMO

We've got the right qb.  Whatever promise Fields had will be wasted in Chicago.  I feel about Bryce the same way I felt about Cam when we drafted them. They are a 1 off qb that set the leagueon fire. Young will make believers of everyone beforethe seasonis over. You heard it here first. 

[CRA]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, it doesn't work like that at all.

Two people don't have to be hired together to be in sync. Neither does being hired together guarantee that they will be.

Nor does anything about those circumstances prevent an owner from playing one guy against another, or choosing to blame one and absolve the other.

Everything you're talking about here is personality driven. And no employment arrangement, arrival circumstance or even prior connection can guarantee harmony or prevent conflict. if you doubt that, ask Jimmy Johnson.

The good news for us though is that Reich and Fitterer have by all accounts very similar personalities and approaches that help them work and play well together.

Frankly, the notion that two people have to be hired at the same time in order to be harmonious sounds kinda silly.

I’m not talking about being in sync, working well together or any of that. 

literally nothing I am talking about is personality driven.  We aren’t having the same convo. 

I’m talking about the predictable nature of deflecting blame via an unpaired coach/GM affords the owner.    I simply prefer it not be that way.  The problems are generally laid at the feet of the guy leaving and crazy mental gymnastics pulled for those left standing. We see that with Fitt now.  Seen with others prior. 

So you just do a variation of what Tep does. Problem isn’t Rhule, it’s Hurney.  Problem isn’t Fitt, it’s Rhule.   My preference is to take that off the table.  Hire people together to do it and if they can’t move on.  That’s my preference. 

your counter argument is arguing against things I’m not saying.  Can two dudes not hired together work well together? Yes. 

Hurney should have been fired with Fox.  Rivera should have been a paired with his own GM.  And when Ron and company’s time was done you start clean. You can argue exceptions to everything.  But as a fan? Yeah, that’s what I want.  

 

 

 

[Jon Snow]

You two should get a room. You're starting to sound like an old married couple bickering about who farted.

[Shocker]

17 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah that was tough. To be fair Horn is pretty damn good he just needs to stay on the field!

Horn is becoming really close to total bust.  He has to stay healthy this season.  I don’t care how good he is on paper anymore 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

I’m not talking about being in sync, working well together or any of that. 

literally nothing I am talking about is personality driven.  We aren’t having the same convo. 

I’m talking about the predictable nature of deflecting blame via an unpaired coach/GM affords the owner.    I simply prefer it not be that way.  The problems are generally laid at the feet of the guy leaving and crazy mental gymnastics pulled for those left standing. We see that with Fitt now.  Seen with others prior. 

So you just do a variation of what Tep does. Problem isn’t Rhule, it’s Hurney.  Problem isn’t Fitt, it’s Rhule.   My preference is to take that off the table.  Hire people together to do it and if they can’t move on.  That’s my preference. 

your counter argument is arguing against things I’m not saying.  Can two dudes not hired together work well together? Yes. 

Hurney should have been fired with Fox.  Rivera should have been a paired with his own GM.  And when Ron and company’s time was done you start clean. You can argue exceptions to everything.  But as a fan? Yeah, that’s what I want.  

Yeah...not at all how it works in the real world.

Throw in too that there are plenty of situations where one guy is better at his role than the other. What you're advocating is the proverbial throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Under your logic, the Eagles should have fired Howie Roseman about three coaches ago. Yet during that span they've been to the Super Bowl twice.

Guess it's a good thing they don't listen to you 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[Shocker]

22 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

We've got the right qb.  Whatever promise Fields had will be wasted in Chicago.  I feel about Bryce the same way I felt about Cam when we drafted them. They are a 1 off qb that set the leagueon fire. Young will make believers of everyone beforethe seasonis over. You heard it here first. 

I almost feel like we need to stash Bryce until we build up the offense.  He is the guy but damn he might get destroyed mentally with this offense. Our OL is sketchy at best

Edited August 31, 2023 by Shocker

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

You two should get a room. You're starting to sound like an old married couple bickering about who farted.

Nah, I got a room with someone much cuter

 

Granted, after the two week notice thing I may not be here for long

[rebelrouser]

I'm glad to see people recognizing how much Tepper sucks.  Fitterer doesn't have a good track record either.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Shocker said:

I almost feel like we need to stash Bryce until we build up the offense.  He is the guy but damn he might get destroyed mentally with this offense 

Bryce will be fine. He's just different mentally. He just gets it, he understands the game at a level that greatly offsets his size disadvantage. Maybe that's what's driven him to learn as much as he can about the game, and use his ability to process information at the levels he can to his advantage. 

Whatever it is he is just got that Cam Newton rarity thing that makes them unique.  It's difficult to explain because they are so unique.  He's more in the mold of Luke when it comes to preparation and Mahomes in the field.  Will he succeed in the league? I truly believe he will barring injury, just as with anyone else. 

[Shocker]

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Bryce will be fine. He's just different mentally. He just gets it, he understands the game at a level that greatly offsets his size disadvantage. Maybe that's what's driven him to learn as much as he can about the game, and use his ability to process information at the levels he can to his advantage. 

Whatever it is he is just got that Cam Newton rarity thing that makes them unique.  It's difficult to explain because they are so unique.  He's more in the mold of Luke when it comes to preparation and Mahomes in the field.  Will he succeed in the league? I truly believe he will barring injury, just as with anyone else. 

I agree…Bryce is the man.  If he is able to lead this ragtag offensive bunch to the playoffs it will be like Kelly Leak awesome.  Bad news bears ref

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Shocker

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

I agree…Bryce is the man.  If he is able to lead this ragtag offensive bunch to the playoffs it will be like Kelly Leak awesome.  Bad news bears ref

This current team is not a finished product. So I'm not expecting playoffs this season. But if they somehow make it, it will be largely due to his impact and the ability of these coaches. 

[rayzor]

2 hours ago, Growl said:

anyone trying to blame all the “bad things” on Rhule simply because he’s not here and fitterer is is being intellectually dishonest 

Rhule played his hand in his push for Mayfield and the lack of practice work Corral got last season.

Fitterer spoke very glowingly of Corral. All the smoke points towards that being a Fitterer pick.

 

Difference between last year and this year?

Fitt had the benefit of a grown up coaching staff with tons of pro experience not just as coaches but players.

Bryce wasn't a Fitt pick. It was a true collaboration with Reich, McCown, Brown, and Caldwell. Last year who did Fitt have helping make the decision? Tepper and Macadoo?

I really hope that no one looks at the Corral pick as being a failure and then lumping the Bryce pick as a potential failure because the same GM picked both of them.

Of course I'm sure there are people in here doing exactly that

[Hogan]

9 hours ago, frankw said:

We cannot absolve Fitterer of that he was very vocal about Corral being part of our future on draft night.

Can't keep blaming Rhule for everything.

I beginning to think/believe the Fitterer hire is the equivalent of organizations throughout the league who have attempted to use New England as their blueprint. That is, hiring away NE coaches and executives expecting NE magic. When, in fact, there is only one Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.  Fitterer, as we know, came from Seattle. And we are seeing that you simply can't dupicate Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson.

Bottom line: It looks like Fitterer is nothing special.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...not at all how it works in the real world.

Throw in too that there are plenty of situations where one guy is better at his role than the other. What you're advocating is the proverbial throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Under your logic, the Eagles should have fired Howie Roseman about three coaches ago. Yet during that span they've been to the Super Bowl twice.

Guess it's a good thing they don't listen to you 

Well in the real world of the Carolina Panthers…they haven’t won in a half decade.  Have a grand total of 2 winning seasons in the last 10 years.  

and in the real world, Tepper is in this “game”to build his wealth and influence.  Anything else is just fun icing on the cake.  

and yeah, when you got a flaming bag of dog poo era like the Matt Rhule era was….I most certainly advocate throwing it all out the window.  

I’ve acknowledged there are exceptions to everything.  Eagles?  The worst coaching era their GM has been part of?? That coach had a better win % in Philly than any coach in our history has pulled here.   And opened up with back to back winning seasons. Which makes the majority winning seasons.  Hell, he was part of a freaking unicorn.   He actually was part of a college football coach actually seeing success in the NFL.   There was no clown show to throw the baby out with.