Matt Corral has been cut

[Ricky Spanish]

4 hours ago, Shocker said:

I told everyone Howell was the best out of that draft.  I also said Bryce was the best out of this draft so we are good here

Also pined for Justin Fields but that’s another story

One the funniest things I saw on ESPN was a bit about Dak Prescott being worried about Trey Lance.  Lance was always going to be a bust.

 

3 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I was public enemy #1 when I mentioned trading for Justin Fields.

 

Funny how people ignore the lack of talent around a QB. Dude now throwing screens to DJ Moore and taking it to the house.

 

Get ready folks Fields will put the NFL on notice this year. He's the real deal!

I personally, don't think Fields is going to progress much at all and that Bears fans will be upset that they didn't keep the pick and take Bryce.

Fields just doesn't see the field well. Runs like a monster though so it kind of makes up for it to an extent, but I don't really think he excels as a passer in the modern NFL.

S'pose we'll see. I hope I'm right and we ended up making the right call all along.

[Panthercougar68]

26 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

 

I personally, don't think Fields is going to progress much at all and that Bears fans will be upset that they didn't keep the pick and take Bryce.

Fields just doesn't see the field well. Runs like a monster though so it kind of makes up for it to an extent, but I don't really think he excels as a passer in the modern NFL.

S'pose we'll see. I hope I'm right and we ended up making the right call all along.

Fields has all the talent in the world but as you said, doesn't read the field well which you need for long term success.

[Stuart Smith]

9 hours ago, frankw said:

We cannot absolve Fitterer of that he was very vocal about Corral being part of our future on draft night.

Can't keep blaming Rhule for everything.

I though Ben MacAdoo was the biggest cheerleader for drafting Corral. 

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, Shocker said:

I totally agree here…Fitty has this habit of letting the draft board dictate his picks.  He can’t wait for a run of players and grab the #3 or #4 guy at a position.  He needs to be aggressive and grab the #1 guy if possible.  This trend worries me but as you said, time will tell.

The best draft strategy is this…take the best NFL talent regardless of position.  You can’t get cute, people in this league are to smart for that barring complete luck

Well he did also recently draft the #1 QB in this draft. Lol.

Overall I am a little skeptical of Fitterer. Some of these 2nd and 3rd round Hurney-esque trade ups have me concerned.

[BIGH2001]

Overall Fitterer’s track record as a GM here has more bad than good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets the ax after this season. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, CRA said:

Well in the real world of the Carolina Panthers…they haven’t won in a half decade.  Have a grand total of 2 winning seasons in the last 10 years.  

and in the real world, Tepper is in this “game”to build his wealth and influence.  Anything else is just fun icing on the cake.  

and yeah, when you got a flaming bag of dog poo era like the Matt Rhule era was….I most certainly advocate throwing it all out the window.  

I’ve acknowledged there are exceptions to everything.  Eagles?  The worst coaching era their GM has been part of?? That coach had a better win % in Philly than any coach in our history has pulled here.   And opened up with back to back winning seasons. Which makes the majority winning seasons.  Hell, he was part of a freaking unicorn.   He actually was part of a college football coach actually seeing success in the NFL.   There was no clown show to throw the baby out with. 

Yeah sorry, but this idea that coaches and GMs should be fired together is probably one of the silliest I've seen.

Strategy like that would mean essentially rebuilding entire front offices and coaching staffs every few years. That kind of organizational instability even older Al Davis's Raiders would look down on.

To top it all off, while decrying David Tepper as an owner, you are at the same time suggesting that he should be in charge of reorganizing the entire team structure every time somebody gets fired.

I hope this is one of the times you're bullsh-tting because this is some of the dumbest takes I've seen around here in a while.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, BIGH2001 said:

Overall Fitterer’s track record as a GM here has more bad than good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets the ax after this season. 

It's difficult to determine where Rhule's responsibility for our current state of the team ended and Fitterer's responsibility began, but for the day Rhule was fired. That's the only clear line of demarcation that we really have. [Not to mention, that we know that Rhule had full roster control] As such, I would be surprised if he is axed after the season. 

I think that Tepper did an accounting before he axed Rhule. He decided that Fitterer would have a certain amount of time to right the ship. Being that Tepper seems like a relatively patient guy, not given in to knee-jerk reactions, I believe that the only thing that would get Fitterer fired after this season is a gross waste of resources. That was really the big no-no that Tepper mentioned in his first presser after Rhule was axed. So far, in my opinion, draft picks (plus D.J. Moore) that we spent relative to the value that we believe we're getting with Bryce Young was a good transaction. So we're good on that front. I don't think that anyone can argue that the cap isn't in great shape. So far, mission accomplished. Fitterer appears to be playing the long game.

Edited August 31, 2023 by top dawg

[Barney]

 There were a whole lot of teams that passed on Howell so not sure what they saw that made him drop down in the draft like he did.  Let's see how good Howell is after his third season before we start firing our GM.  Or we can run our team on kneejerk decisions.  I think that will work out well for us. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It's difficult to determine where Rhule's responsibility for our current state of the team ended and Fitterer's responsibility began, but for the day Rhule was fired. That's the only clear line of demarcation that we really have. As such, I would be surprised if he is axed after the season. 

I think that Tepper did an accounting before he axed Rhule. He decided that Fitterer would have a certain amount of time to right the ship. Being that Tepper seems like a relatively patient guy, not given in to knee-jerk reactions, I believe that the only thing that would get Fitterer fired after this season is a gross waste of resources. That was really the big no-no that Tepper mentioned in his first presser after Rhule was axed. So far, in my opinion, draft picks (plus D.J. Moore) that we spent relative to the value that we believe we're getting with Bryce Young was a good transaction. So we're good on that front. I don't think that anyone can argue that the cap isn't in great shape. So far, mission accomplished. Fitterer appears to be playing the long game.

Yeah, the quickest way for Fitterer to get the axe is for Young to be a massive flop. I think almost all of us hope that isn't the case(save our extra special "I WUZ RIGHT" crowd). 

Other than that, he'll probably be given at least a couple of more offseasons before any sort of pressure spikes, IMO. Clearly hitting on Young would buy him some considerable time.

[csx]

Tepper knows where the line was between Rhule and Fit was and that's all that matters.

I don't believe he's anywhere remotely close to the hot seat.

But what we think is irrelevant 

[top dawg]

Just now, Barney said:

 There were a whole lot of teams that passed on Howell so not sure what they saw that made him drop down in the draft like he did.  Let's see how good Howell is after his third season before we start firing our GM.  Or we can run our team on kneejerk decisions.  I think that will work out well for us. 

I don't understand why people are trying to make a big deal over Howell...and I've seen a mention of Brock Purdy... Yeah, everyone saw that coming. All an FO (obviously including the GM) can do is make decisions based upon current information. Sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes they get it right. There is no perfect FO. They just can't show a track record of compounding errors year after year without consequences. But there still has to be some perspective from the owner, least they want to be the Browns or Jets.

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, the quickest way for Fitterer to get the axe is for Young to be a massive flop. I think almost all of us hope that isn't the case(save our extra special "I WUZ RIGHT" crowd). 

Other than that, he'll probably be given at least a couple of more offseasons before any sort of pressure spikes, IMO. Clearly hitting on Young would buy him some considerable time.

Young will save a lot of jobs, or lose a lot of jobs. They pinned their livelihoods to the little fella. Don't let him flop and Stroud explode. That's the worst case scenario for Fitt and the entire staff (the Huddle and all fans).

[Ricky Prickles]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I don't understand why people are trying to make a big deal over Howell...and I've seen a mention of Brock Purdy... Yeah, everyone saw that coming. All an FO (obviously including the GM) can do is make decisions based upon current information. Sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes they get it right. There is no perfect FO. They just can't show a track record of compounding errors year after year without consequences. But there still has to be some perspective from the owner, least they want to be the Browns or Jets.

I don't think its necessarily anybody making a big deal about it other than general disappointment that we werent the ones who drafted either whomhave all the makings of QB's who could turn out very good and at least are still with their drafted teams and not cut looking for another team.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah sorry, but this idea that coaches and GMs should be fired together is probably one of the silliest I've seen.

Strategy like that would mean essentially rebuilding entire front offices and coaching staffs every few years. That kind of organizational instability even older Al Davis's Raiders would look down on.

To top it all off, while decrying David Tepper as an owner, you are at the same time suggesting that he should be in charge of reorganizing the entire team structure every time somebody gets fired.

I hope this is one of the times you're bullsh-tting because this is some of the dumbest takes I've seen around here in a while.

Look every time this year you do your thing.  I get it.  You go to the mats for anyone that says anything about someone currently employed on the Panthers.  We do this dance every offseason.   

the Panthers strategy has yielded a team that hasn't had a winning season in a half decade.   Barely won in the last decade.   So you constantly throwing that they clearly think different in my face, doesn't slap.  Nor does pretending like people can't be questioned.  The NFL is slammed full of idiots doing stupid stuff just like every other walk of life. There are people literally running #1 super power on planet Earth right now that can't tie their freaking shoes.  In both parties.   Literally can't. 

and yeah, when you create one of the biggest jokes in the modern day NFL (which was the Rhule era)....you likely should burn it all.  I think that is the best play overall.   You don't keep part of that circus bleeding into the next era.  And I also believe when long eras have run their course and you claim to start fresh and new......you should actually do that.    Not keep a Marty Hurney around.  Exceptions to everything.  But overall, that's my stance when organizations find themselves where we have been.