Was Chark a mistake?

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

He's a good receiver. Nothing wrong with his play. His contract is an indication of his health concerns.  We signed him thinking that he may not be available all season.  I see no problem here.

Totally fair and I agree with you in a vacuum.

My issue with him has never been signing him or the contract we gave him, but the opportunity cost of having that depth chart spot and money available for someone else, like Hopkins once he was available.

[Jmac]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

Chark wasn't a mistake.  He was a great add given his cost.  He should be a role-player given his health history.  We ideally should of built a better overall skill group for Young.   

I mean, you can look at recent high-end QB prospects that didn't meet expectations as a rookie and generally it's the weak supporting cast largely talked about.  Got to help rookie QBs out.  Give them some bailout options. Trevor.  Fields.  Even a Wilson.   As rookies, they were throwing to committees of bland WRs. 

True. His bailout options if Sanders goes down are nil at running back. Chubba has proven that....can't catch a cold.

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, panthers320 said:

So who should we have signed as a free agent instead?

Being honest, I don't remember who the FA's were this offseason off the top of my head, but I remember there being a few other players I'd have rather given even a few more million to than him, because of his injury history.

Also, my #1 option from the start was never to sign him (or anyone else), but it was to go after Hopkins to be our #1 on the outside, play TMJ/Mingo on the other outside, with Thielen in the slot.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

Totally fair and I agree with you in a vacuum.

My issue with him has never been signing him or the contract we gave him, but the opportunity cost of having that depth chart spot and money available for someone else, like Hopkins once he was available.

Hopkins is not coming here. Get that thought out of your head. We will be drafting our guys unless it's an injury situation that forces us to.  Then it will be someone you've never heard of.

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

No, it's not about agreeing with me or not, it's that you kept pushing the idea of signing Hopkins once he was cut and can't get past that we never did.

If there was even a 1% chance that we would have signed him, then sure, maybe I wouldn't take issue with you saying that.  But once we had Chark, Thielen, TMJ, Mingo... we were NEVER going to even consider signing Hopkins, it wasn't even an option, the ship had already sailed without him.

All offseason you've looked at building the roster like this was Madden, just go get everyone you want and disregard the real life implications of said desired moves, and it's been frustrating.

Maybe put me on ignore and you don't have to follow my post?

 

I said what I said about Hopkins. Deal with it my mind is not changing. Stop stalking people post bro. These are just opinions.

 

 

If someone is posting dumb post I simply put them on my ignore list. It's the adult thing to do. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[tukafan21]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

Chark wasn't a mistake.  He was a great add given his cost.  He should be a role-player given his health history.  We ideally should of built a better overall skill group for Young.   

I mean, you can look at recent high-end QB prospects that didn't meet expectations as a rookie and generally it's the weak supporting cast largely talked about.  Got to help rookie QBs out.  Give them some bailout options. Trevor.  Fields.  Even a Wilson.   As rookies, they were throwing to committees of bland WRs. 

I actually think we have really good bail out options for Bryce this year.

Thielen is pretty much what you'd create in a lab for a bailout option for a rookie QB.  A guy who made his career out of being someone who does the little things right as opposed to relies on his natural talent.

Hurst will also be a nice safety valve option, and I think Mingo and Shenault will be good in those roles as well, as guys Bryce can check it down to and hope they break tackles to pick up yards.

It's the outside WR position that concerns me this year

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Jmac said:

True. His bailout options if Sanders goes down are nil at running back. Chubba has proven that....can't catch a cold.

PFF deemed Sanders the worst receiving RB in the entire NFL last year.  Not volume but play.

He ranked near the worst of all RBs as a receiver two years before that.  His sophomore year that he also was paired with Duce. 

Sanders isn't proven to be a bailout option for a QB the last several years in the pass game.  To date, he had a rookie season that never matched up with the rest of his career. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Hindsight will tell us. I do think we had to make moves at WR. You couldn't go into this season with TMJ and Shenault penciled in as your starting WRs. Thielen made sense. Steady vet on the decline but he'll be a security blanket for Bryce. Chark honestly made sense too. He's shown the ability to produce in the NFL injuries have just gotten in his way and the contract reflects those injury concerns. So now we have two solid vets as our starting WRs with plenty of snaps still available for guys like TMJ and Shenault.

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Hopkins is not coming here. Get that thought out of your head. We will be drafting our guys unless it's an injury situation that forces us to.  Then it will be someone you've never heard of.

I've been saying Hopkins wasn't coming here from the second we signed Chark and then drafted Mingo.

That post was about what I'd have done from the start, which would have been targeting Hopkins instead of Chark, totally different.

[Aussie Tank]

We did what we could after trading away Moore. Rome wasn’t built in a day 

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Maybe put me on ignore and you don't have to follow my post?

 

I said what I said about Hopkins. Deal with it my mind is not changing. Stop stalking people post bro. These are just opinions.

 

 

If someone is posting dumb post I simply put them on my ignore list. It's the adult thing to do. Enjoy the rest of your day.

stalking?

You joined into a thread that I was already posting in, in what way is me then responding to you stalking you?

And it's not about opinions, if you wanted to sign player B instead of player A, that's an option.  It's that you've for some reason refused to accept that once we signed Chark and drafted Mingo, there was no longer the money or roster space for going after Hopkins in any way shape or form.

And that's not an opinion, it's just a fact that you've refused to accept or understand.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

I've been saying Hopkins wasn't coming here from the second we signed Chark and then drafted Mingo.

That post was about what I'd have done from the start, which would have been targeting Hopkins instead of Chark, totally different.

It doesn't matter if you target him, he has to want to come here. Besides, you cannot run your offense that way. You cannot tie up a chunk of cap in an aging receiver that you will have to focus your offense on. That doesn't help Youngs development at all. That's backwards thinking. 

[Seltzer]

10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's a good receiver. Nothing wrong with his play. His contract is an indication of his health concerns.  We signed him thinking that he may not be available all season.  I see no problem here.

I don't know what more there is to add.  Chark is electric when he's healthy and has the ability to put up WR1 numbers.  The health has been and is the issue.  

You're not getting a WR with Chark's playmaking ability for $5M who doesn't have risk.

That's the reason they also signed Theilen and drafted Mingo.

You can't make everything perfect after trading away a WR1 like DJ Moore in one offseason, but long-term Bryce was definitely worth it.

And all we can do is hope Chark can stay mostly healthy.  He's fun to watch when he is, and if he can stay healthy (which is obviously a massive question mark), he's an incredible addition to this team.

It certainly wasn't a mistake from a risk/reward standpoint

[CamWhoaaCam]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hindsight will tell us. I do think we had to make moves at WR. You couldn't go into this season with TMJ and Shenault penciled in as your starting WRs. Thielen made sense. Steady vet on the decline but he'll be a security blanket for Bryce. Chark honestly made sense too. He's shown the ability to produce in the NFL injuries have just gotten in his way and the contract reflects those injury concerns. So now we have two solid vets as our starting WRs with plenty of snaps still available for guys like TMJ and Shenault.

I called it last week. I said we would probably make a trade for a lesser WR before the season. It just sucks because we could have had a legit WR had we got one in FA.

 

Chark has been injury prone most of his career. You're basically counting on the young guys to step up. Injuries happen you have to plan accordingly we now have to scramble last minute just to get enough bodies for the season.