Isaiah Simmons traded to Giants

[Davidson Deac II]

3 of the top 10 picks from that year are no longer with the team that drafted them.  

[Basbear]

2 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

3 of the top 10 picks from that year are no longer with the team that drafted them.  

I always go back and look at older drafts, it no longer shocking at the huge mess that happens. Young men and big money along with moving, its impossible to for-see the outcome.

[Davidson Deac II]

42 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I always go back and look at older drafts, it no longer shocking at the huge mess that happens. Young men and big money along with moving, its impossible to for-see the outcome.

Drafting is a crapshoot, always has been.  And there is a strong element of luck in it.  From that same draft, just look at Miami.  They sold their soul to get Tua, and while he looks solid when healthy, he still hasn't played a full season.   And they still haven't made a playoff game, and if they don't this year, its going to become problematic for them.  

[Basbear]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Drafting is a crapshoot, always has been.  And there is a strong element of luck in it.  From that same draft, just look at Miami.  They sold their soul to get Tua, and while he looks solid when healthy, he still hasn't played a full season.   And they still haven't made a playoff game, and if they don't this year, its going to become problematic for them.  

Ive found no matter the GM or org, if you get 2 starters and 1 key backup/special teamer= you won the draft. 

[NAS]

Looks like Giants are planning to use him as a pass rusher. Looked decent tonight

Edited August 26, 2023 by NAS

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, NAS said:

Looks like Giants are planning to use him as a pass rusher. Looked decent tonight

That is exactly what I thought--he was not being used correctly.

[OldhamA]

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

That is exactly what I thought--he was not being used correctly.

He told the Cards staff he wanted to play S. 

[Castavar]

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

That is exactly what I thought--he was not being used correctly.

Wouldn't be the first time the Cardinals were using somebody incorrectly *cough cough Haasan Reddick cough cough*

[MHS831]

49 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

He told the Cards staff he wanted to play S. 

Then his request to play olb is due to the fact that he failed at S--I suppose

[45catfan]

Clemson players by and large struggle in the NFL or at the very least rarely live up to their draft status.  A few have produced, but the slew of underwhelming or complete disappointments far exceed those hyped players considering how many Tigers that have been drafted over the past decade in the Dabo era.

I was on the Chinn train that pre-draft spring and caught serious heat for hyping the unknown small school mid-west kid over the local Clemson star.  I'd said it then and I say it now, it's easier for a 4/5 star kid to show out on a team loaded with other 4/5 star players compared to a 3 star player on a team almost void of 4/5 star talent on the entire squad.  If that's the case, and the 3 star is player making all sorts of plays on a pedestrian team, he's the one that should grab your attention.

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Clemson players by and large struggle in the NFL or at the very least rarely live up to their draft status.  A few have produced, but the slew of underwhelming or complete disappointments far exceed those hyped players considering how many Tigers that have been drafted over the past decade in the Dabo era.

I was on the Chinn train that pre-draft spring and caught serious heat for hyping the unknown small school mid-west kid over the local Clemson star.  I'd said it then and I say it now, it's easier for a 4/5 star kid to show out on a team loaded with other 4/5 star players compared to a 3 star player on a team almost void of 4/5 star talent on the entire squad.  If that's the case, and the 3 star is player making all sorts of plays on a pedestrian team, he's the one that should grab your attention.

They really don’t. I’d bet the Clemson guys fail at the same rate as every other school. I mean for every Ferrell you’ve got a Lawrence (both of them) and for every Lawson you’ve got a Jarrett. Terrell’s been good and Higgins, etc.

What I think you’ll find is that there are good GMs/teams like the Steelers and Ravens where their guys just seem to fit and do well and then there are teams like the Raiders who draft Jamarcus Russell and Ferrell. Doesn’t mean LSU or Clemson players don’t hit.

Don’t be surprised to see Simmons play a lot better. The Cardinals coaches the past few years aren’t exactly the cream of the crop. I mean they can’t even get their #1 pick QB to study film.