Time to go shopping....WR

[Panthercougar68]

Jerry Jeudy for a ham sammich because he’s out 7-9 weeks 

[CRA]

34 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again our staff on paper is better than the steelers staff as well as Seattle and the Patriots.  It isn't about just the head coaches but the whole staff. Reich by himself might be middle of the pack but he was hired based on the staff he was going to assemble. Based on the collective experience of this staff and their accomplishments they together are better than the individual parts which is exactly the goal with staff or players. So again you can pick apart any individual coach but as a group they are pretty impressive.  Getting young and old coaches is one of our strengths while you make it out as a weakness. 

HC, OC and DC are the most weighted positions.  And by those measures we are just an average staff.  And frankly, there is nothing wrong with that. 

I don’t think Capers and Caldwell necessarily make us anything.  They are old.   Yeah, they got experience but they are different era guys.   And even one of the articles you posted acknowledged that signing all these checks to bring all this experience on a paper might be counter productive.  But they don’t rocket us up to tops of the league IMO.  
 

I just don’t see folks outside of Carolina viewing them as highly.  And I don’t put tons of weight on writers doing what writers do right when it was assembled.  

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

HC, OC and DC are the most weighted positions.  And by those measures we are just an average staff.  And frankly, there is nothing wrong with that. 

I don’t think Capers and Caldwell necessarily make us anything.  They are old.   Yeah, they got experience but they are different era guys.   And even one of the articles you posted acknowledged that signing all these checks to bring all this experience on a paper might be counter productive.  But they don’t rocket us up to tops of the league IMO.  
 

I just don’t see folks outside of Carolina viewing them as highly.  And I don’t put tons of weight on writers doing what writers do right when it was assembled.  

Obviously your opinion like mine means little. I do however respect the numerous experts who agree with me about this staff.  Show me some credible sources suggesting we are as bad as you suggest or let it go. I pointed out several articles praising this staff and you have nothing but your own opinion. Forgive me if I don't go back and forth anymore but your take has no credibility.

[Shocker]

On 8/23/2023 at 2:23 PM, Varking said:

Call TY Hilton or Julio Jones. By the time they get hurt, Chark will be back. Then when he gets hurt again, they will be healed. 

[rmoneyg35]

Don’t see why people hate on our WRs so much. We have 2 #1 WRs with Chark and Thielen. Chark has had some injury history but not that major. Thielen has age but can still be a good #1. He was behind the best WR in the game so it was hard for him to put up huge numbers but he still was good.

 

TMJ could be a number one WR. He’s only played 2 years, didn’t get a lot of playing time but when he did halfway through the season he was good. We don’t know what we have in Mingo but he has a lot of potential. 
 

as long as those 4 stay healthy we should be fine. Even if one misses a few games they could easily replace one another.

shenault and Shi are solid back ups who are young but are fine for 4-5 WR.

 

why would you want us to trade/sign a older player to a big contract anyhow? We are rebuilding, we need to keep the cap space and grow our own players. How can we have guys like Mingo and TMJ get experience if we sign a vet WR?

 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, rmoneyg35 said:

Don’t see why people hate on our WRs so much. We have 2 #1 WRs with Chark and Thielen. Chark has had some injury history but not that major. Thielen has age but can still be a good #1. He was behind the best WR in the game so it was hard for him to put up huge numbers but he still was good.

 

TMJ could be a number one WR. He’s only played 2 years, didn’t get a lot of playing time but when he did halfway through the season he was good. We don’t know what we have in Mingo but he has a lot of potential. 
 

as long as those 4 stay healthy we should be fine. Even if one misses a few games they could easily replace one another.

shenault and Shi are solid back ups who are young but are fine for 4-5 WR.

 

why would you want us to trade/sign a older player to a big contract anyhow? We are rebuilding, we need to keep the cap space and grow our own players. How can we have guys like Mingo and TMJ get experience if we sign a vet WR?

 

damn

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Obviously your opinion like mine means little. I do however respect the numerous experts who agree with me about this staff.  Show me some credible sources suggesting we are as bad as you suggest or let it go. I pointed out several articles praising this staff and you have nothing but your own opinion. Forgive me if I don't go back and forth anymore but your take has no credibility.

You want me to find credible sources claiming this staff is bad….when I don’t think that nor have I once posted such? 

I mean, that’s when you know people aren’t actually reading what others are saying.  Or are just intentionally dishonest with projection. 

The over the top rhetoric is all I contest.  Staffing, Young expectations, team, etc.   I’ve claimed this staff is vastly better than what we have had here. I’ve said we are on a good track/path. There are tons of post that  back that.  Not a single one that I claimed the staff was bad.  Only time I have used the word bad was in calling Frank Reich as a playcaller bad.  Which that has been the critique of him. Every where he has done it.  And I generally highlight his strengths are documented elsewhere when I say that. 
 

 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

You want me to find credible sources claiming this staff is bad….when I don’t think that nor have I once posted such? 

I mean, that’s when you know people aren’t actually reading what others are saying.  Or are just intentionally dishonest with projection. 

The over the top rhetoric is all I contest.  Staffing, Young expectations, team, etc.   I’ve claimed this staff is vastly better than what we have had here. I’ve said we are on a good track/path. There are tons of post that  back that.  Not a single one that I claimed the staff was bad.  Only time I have used the word bad was in calling Frank Reich as a playcaller bad.  Which that has been the critique of him. Every where he has done it.  And I generally highlight his strengths are documented elsewhere when I say that. 
 

 

And your constant complaining about the over the top rhetoric is overblown in your criticism.  Fans are reacting to all the accolades that have been heaped on our staff by outside sources not panther sites. So if folks are pretty happy about our staff and talk about it in positive ways, why do you have to come in here and piss on everyone's cornflakes.

And Reich was only calling plays at San Diego for 1 year his first year so that hardly is definitive. He didn't call plays in Philly and did for 5 years at Indy.  Seems most of the criticism was in 22 and 23 when the Colts imploded for various reasons. So no he wasn't critized everywhere for his playcalling. If you want to criticize overblown responses start with your own. 

[CRA]

10 hours ago, panthers55 said:

And your constant complaining about the over the top rhetoric is overblown in your criticism.  Fans are reacting to all the accolades that have been heaped on our staff by outside sources not panther sites. So if folks are pretty happy about our staff and talk about it in positive ways, why do you have to come in here and piss on everyone's cornflakes.

And Reich was only calling plays at San Diego for 1 year his first year so that hardly is definitive. He didn't call plays in Philly and did for 5 years at Indy.  Seems most of the criticism was in 22 and 23 when the Colts imploded for various reasons. So no he wasn't critized everywhere for his playcalling. If you want to criticize overblown responses start with your own. 

my issue with the over top stuff or extreme optimism isn't new.   It's not unique to this squad.  That's just not what I do.  

It is what it is. 

Yes, he called plays in SD and Indy.  That's it.  2 spots. And the general critique of him as playcaller in both places (all the places) was the same one.  And largely the praise too.   It's 2023, we hired a young dude from an exciting coaching tree as our OC.  Frank should let him do his job and grow.   There are very few HCs that should be calling plays.  Frank should be the HC.  Brown should be the OC.  Which means he should call the plays.   That's a pretty moderate position you are trying to pitch as the yin to the overhyping yang.  

[CPcavedweller]

22 hours ago, shaqattaq said:

In my defense...I still think we have a legit shot at winning the NFCS, thus being a "playoff team". Not because we're a great or even complete team yet, but because none of the teams are. We'll get a real look at that possibility starting in 2 weeks. 

In other news, I agree that Chark has looked like our best receiver all of camp and preseason. I hope it's nothing major or lingering. And Icky looked really good LAST YEAR. But 1 good year doesn't make you a franchise LT. I'm still bullish on him BTW.

As far as Ickey is concerned, I think we need to understand the context within which our line looked good. When Rhule was fired and Wilkes came in with a plan to run the ball, and throw off of play action, our line magically got better. We protected them.

Now this new staff is asking them to do what Rhule was asking them to do which is pass black for 2 to 5 seconds two of every three snaps, and the result is the same. 

I don't think we have the personnel to run the Rams West Coast style offense and would be much better suited to running something like the 49er's run to, if nothing else, protect our offensive line. They can be a Top 10 unit when running.