Time to go shopping....WR

[KSpan]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People have different expectations. I think I told you this last week.

 

Im tired of giving these coaches excuses before the season even starts. Frank came in here talking about contending for a SB sooner than later. Thielen signed here because he said that was the pitch. Guy is at the end of his prime he's expecting to compete. I don't view this roster as a rebuild lower tier roster. We have some of the best players at their position on defense with Horn/Burns/Brown. We have a legit defense. Offense will be the key to our success this year. If Bryce lives up to the hype while playing in a weak division there is no reason why we can't win this division.

 

Win the division we make the playoffs. That's realistic imo.

A guy that has never been an NFL coordinator/called plays before, a guy that coordinated Vic Fangio's defense for a year, and a guy that has been slightly better than average as an HC is not a proven 'all star staff'. Not saying it's bad but any means, but assuming top-tier performance in year one is unrealistic.

Been down this road before though. Y'all can have whatever expectations you want but that doesn't change the reality.

[CRA]

32 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People have different expectations. I think I told you this last week.

 

Im tired of giving these coaches excuses before the season even starts. Frank came in here talking about contending for a SB sooner than later. Thielen signed here because he said that was the pitch. Guy is at the end of his prime he's expecting to compete. I don't view this roster as a rebuild lower tier roster. We have some of the best players at their position on defense with Horn/Burns/Brown. We have a legit defense. Offense will be the key to our success this year. If Bryce lives up to the hype while playing in a weak division there is no reason why we can't win this division.

 

Win the division we make the playoffs. That's realistic imo.

Acknowledging a rebuild isn’t an excuse. 

sooner rather than later….doesn’t equate to being a contender in year 1.  We need offensive players.  We need experience and time. And we are likely going to need pieces up front on D for the new scheme.

and developing Bryce doesn’t mean playing 1940s football.  Which is what Wilks did when we lucked into games against an abnormal amount bad run defenses.   We aren’t building off what was done last year. 

rookie QBs take lumps.  Especially ones that aren’t playing with elite defenses or  HOF skill talent.  Very few exceptions to that. 

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I said we would be in contention for the playoffs.

 

I never said we should win a SB year 1.

 

Win the division which is realistic make the playoffs. That's all im saying. You calling that unrealistic is just you having lower expectations for the team.

 

We can agree to disagree. I don't know why people are so set on having others agree with them. We simply have different expectations and that's fine.

I don’t have low expectations.   I’m excited to hopefully watch a proper rebuild.   We wasted the last 3 years.  It should have been a proper rebuild post Ron/Cam.   We waste 3 years in no man’s land not doing one. 

But they have gotten off to a decent start to the rebuild.  I can nitpick it a little but it’s a pretty decent start.   

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Frank been lying to us and lied to Thielen apparently. He never mentioned rebuild in his press conference. All I got was we are expected to contend sooner than later and trading up for Bryce was going to be a major reason for that early success.

 

Im just holding people accountable. You can't talk the talk then go out there and put up a poor product. Im expecting upgrade at HC. Wilks had us a .500 team. Frank should be better than that. Tepper hired an upgrade not a downgrade. Hopefully this preseason was not a sign of things to come. Fans are going to be unhappy if we still playing like Rhule is coaching this team.

It’s just standard talk IMO.  What you want him to say to a fanbase that hasn’t seen a winning season in a half decade. 

I would think year 3 you look to be good. And that is still Adam’s contract.  Possibly year 2.  Not year 1. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

We don’t have an all star coaching staff.  Frank is a Ron/Fox.  Who was just fired for his inability to get it done and specifically the O he called.  Which he is calling here.  And Capers and Caldwell are old heads.  We got a tremendous amount of years and experience on staff.  But a lot of that narrative was just built off having so many old guys. We got an exciting young DC whose 1 year featured him inherited a top 10 D.  That’s not an all star staff.  The rest of the league would be the comparison not Rhule’s squad. 

Wilks didn’t install a new system.   He is a DC.  He kept McAdoo.  He just dictated what McAdoo would call going forward vs what he did. 

and building something new isn’t easy with old parts.  It doesn’t happen overnight  Nor is winning in general for any rookie QB.

 

You are out in left field on this one.  Virtually no one with any football acumen shares your view of the staff. You are right that Wilks didn't institute a different scheme but he did change the culture and rework the running playbook.  All with a depleted staff and minus CMC. 

I trust that Reich knows what he is doing and thinks he can win with Bryce now and in the future.  If he didn't believe in Bryce then Dalton would be starting while we bring Bryce along.  I have heard several players say they don't see this as a rebuilt and expect results right away. I believe them....

[Gerry Green]

42 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We don't have our high picks until 2025. I'm guessing you think we add talent via FA to help this rebuild correct?

 

How many people have you heard use the word "Rebuild"? Just CRA. He's stuck on it like an ant on honey. That and his hatred of all things Fitts are his two go too's this year. I admire your grit to deal with him. But it's like dealing with an 8 track player. Wait long enough and it starts repeating itself.

 

He's a self-admitted Pot Stirrer, so do with that what you will.

[Gerry Green]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You are out in left field on this one.  Virtually no one with any football acumen shares your view of the staff. You are right that Wilks didn't institute a different scheme but he did change the culture and rework the running playbook.  All with a depleted staff and minus CMC. 

I trust that Reich knows what he is doing and thinks he can win with Bryce now and in the future.  If he didn't believe in Bryce then Dalton would be starting while we bring Bryce along.  I have heard several players say they don't see this as a rebuilt and expect results right away. I believe them....

 

If Bryce even sniffs OROY, we are fighting for the Playoffs. This team ain't in no stinkin rebuild.

[DaveThePanther2008]

5 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

If Bryce even sniffs OROY, we are fighting for the Playoffs. This team ain't in no stinkin rebuild.

That is one of my preseason predicitions.  Young wins OROY. 

[App Panther]

If you think WR is a problem, wait till you look at your RB depth. 

[mrcompletely11]

7 hours ago, App Panther said:

If you think WR is a problem, wait till you look at your RB depth. 

And linebackers and pass rushers and cornerbacks.   

[CRA]

9 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

 

How many people have you heard use the word "Rebuild"? Just CRA. He's stuck on it like an ant on honey. That and his hatred of all things Fitts are his two go too's this year. I admire your grit to deal with him. But it's like dealing with an 8 track player. Wait long enough and it starts repeating itself.

 

He's a self-admitted Pot Stirrer, so do with that what you will.

I’m not stirring the pot saying we are in a rebuild.  We are.  Lord Zod can tell you that.  And it gets no higher than that.  But you likely could call me more of a NFL fan than a Panther fan. I definitely  don’t fan boy out over a team that hasn’t won in a literal half decade.

This is always the worst part of the season…..you got hyper sensitive crowd once again unable to handle people talking about a football team.  People dare speak against those that say McAdoo/Rhule pairing is going to be awesome, Sam Darnold and the Jets outcasts is smart direction, etc.   Oh noes!  Someone said Fitt who is going on year 3…..doesn’t really anything to his name that could result in him being actually praised as good at his job. 

 

[CRA]

9 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You are out in left field on this one.  Virtually no one with any football acumen shares your view of the staff.  

Give me your top 5 coaching staffs in the NFL and show me where you got the one of the best in the NFL Carolina staff?   The All Star staff. 

They are all stars in comparison to Matt Rhule's assembled staff.   Which I acknowledge. 

Frank + a first year OC who isn't calling plays + a DC with 1 year in the books in the role ......is not one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL.   

We are in a fine spot w/ our coaching staff.  Best spot we have been in of late.  No need to then exaggerate it.  We have young talent.  That's a good thing.  Potential isn't proven though.   And we likely need Frank to get out the way and be a HC and see what we got in the OC.  Because we know what we have in Frank the playcaller.  And that's pedestrian playcalling at the NFL level to date.  The primary knock of the HC. 

[rebelrouser]

10 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

They traded a lot to get a QB. That tells me they believe they have a decent roster and can afford giving up future picks. 

Disagree. I think they wanted to get the qb done now and thought trying to trade up next year would be impossible.  We were not a quality team that was only a qb away from contending. 

[shaqattaq]

17 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Yeah, that was the worst take I've heard in a while, other than the guys who thought we would be a playoff team. Or perhaps that Ickey had proven he is a franchise left tackle. 

Lot of fanboys here who are just hot take after hot take. 

In my defense...I still think we have a legit shot at winning the NFCS, thus being a "playoff team". Not because we're a great or even complete team yet, but because none of the teams are. We'll get a real look at that possibility starting in 2 weeks. 

In other news, I agree that Chark has looked like our best receiver all of camp and preseason. I hope it's nothing major or lingering. And Icky looked really good LAST YEAR. But 1 good year doesn't make you a franchise LT. I'm still bullish on him BTW.