It depends, but I see our ceiling at 7-10

[ickmule]

I see 6 or 7 tops. This team ain’t very good.  

[X-Clown]

9 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

In the past decade the nfc south winner has won double digit games all but 2 times.   Last year and us in 2014.   There has never been a wild card team with single digit wins in 20 years.   So unless you truly think this team can win 11-12 games then I would not hold my breath on the playoffs.   I just hope to see progression and competency for this team and staff.  

 

In closing last year was a complete aberration and not anywhere close to the norm.

 

The past decade the division has had Brees, Brady, and then Cam and Ryan during their primes. Ridder, Carr, Baker and rookie Bryce aren’t on their level. Bryce to me is the only one with potential to be a mainstay.

Edited August 21, 2023 by X-Clown

[top dawg]

52 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

The past decade the division has had Brees, Brady, and then Cam and Ryan during their primes. Ridder, Carr, Baker and rookie Bryce aren’t on their level. Bryce to me is the only one with potential to be a mainstay.

I really don't know what at this point makes you think that Desmond Ridder won't be around. His needle has actually been trending upward since the end of last season. 

[PghPanther]

Wait until the injuries start piling up....................

Then you'll see how bad this team is........no depth on the O line. 

 

[X-Clown]

6 hours ago, top dawg said:

I really don't know what at this point makes you think that Desmond Ridder won't be around. His needle has actually been trending upward since the end of last season. 

He has started all of 4 games and was just OK. I saw nothing that made me think that’s a 10 year starter and a thorn in our side. I am not even convinced he won’t be yanked I’m favor of Taylor Heinicke if he struggles this year.  Not sure how you came to the conclusion where you already put him in the Brees/Brady/Ryan/Newton category yet.

Edited August 21, 2023 by X-Clown

[OldhamA]

18 hours ago, onmyown said:

The ceiling is 8. Slightly better than last year but considering we’ve averaged like barley 6 wins in the past half decade - people need to realize this IS optimistic. 

It’s the reason behind 8 wins that’s what should be looked at. Is it a learning curve as it should be? Or more bullshit from this franchise looking like they’ll never learn.

People say we are improved from last year because we have a better team, but don’t account for the learning curve. It’s a casual fan take, or patience wearing thin. But it overlooks the facts, how football/team building general works in NFL history.

Because even 6 wins due to the curve will make me happy. I just want a bright future and as I’ve said the record means very little this year.

Agree to disagree. You gave up the farm for a QB (in a weak QB Draft) and passed over exciting up-and-coming HCs for a retread.

I expect this team to win out of the gate or those moves were the wrong ones.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I expect this team to win out of the gate or those moves were the wrong ones.

We have a rookie QB, new scheme, and the weakest skill talent around the QB being trotted out in week 1 in a long time.  

I think we will be 2-4 when we hit the bye week.  

[csx]

Funny as poo how everyone is a critic of everything all of a sudden....after months of optimism everyone fell back in to their regular comfortable lanes. 

[TheMaulClaw]

Teams are going to run all over us and then gash us in the passing game after we over correct.  I see a 5 win season.

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

We have a rookie QB, new scheme, and the weakest skill talent around the QB being trotted out in week 1 in a long time.  

I think we will be 2-4 when we hit the bye week.  

It's a good possibility they do start out slow. There's just too many things that have to come together before they can truly compete.  The sooner it starts clicking the better you will be able to determine the true talent on this team.

I just don't think it's deep enough and skilled enough in key areas to be able to compete right away.  They could surprise us all and come out firing on all cylinders.  I just can't see it though because there's just too much turnover to be in a rhythm right out of the gate.

[rayzor]

5 minutes ago, csx said:

Funny as poo how everyone is a critic of everything all of a sudden....after months of optimism everyone fell back in to their regular comfortable lanes. 

not me. i still feel good about the team.

[MechaZain]

2 minutes ago, csx said:

Funny as poo how everyone is a critic of everything all of a sudden....after months of optimism everyone fell back in to their regular comfortable lanes. 

No one has any clue how this team will look week 1 yet that's why we're either going to win the division or do worse than Rhule depending on who you ask

[d-dave]

3 minutes ago, csx said:

Funny as poo how everyone is a critic of everything all of a sudden....after months of optimism everyone fell back in to their regular comfortable lanes. 

It's so easy to be negative.  Optimism is hard - you have to maintain it.  You have to keep believing, even when the road gets tough.

In this case - our team has been pretty poo lately.  It's easier to say "yeah they will suck" because that's just what we've seen.  It's much harder to say "Ok, we're going to be better."  

While I'm not sure our defense will be as good as we hope, I do think that by the end of the season, Bryce Young will be proving his worth.  What will our record be?  I'm not sure.  I think 7-10 (total wins, not record) is possible.  We could be surprising, once we get through the first month of the season.  I just don't see this team being horrible unless all of the wheels fall off the wagon.

I'm going to choose optimism because it's more fun than being a pessimestic.  Also, if the Panthers lose - I'm not going to let it ruin my life.  I'm a fan, but I'm also a father, husband, and educator.  I've got lots more things I care about more the Panthers.  But if they go on a run, I'll be there for the ride!

[csx]

I want to win out of the gate. But have the people who expect everything to gel in first preseason with complete new staff and rookie QB and significantly different players followed this sport?