Is Fitterer the right guy?

[CRA]

3 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I get your opinion here, but there are too many facts that disprove this.  Our social media posts were legit copy and pasting from Rhule's previous stops. Also, on reddit there was the ASA with the Panthers former social media team member that pretty much said that Rhule was in control of everything "including places he shouldnt be" and that people were hating their jobs at TSE. 

I respect your opinion, but there is just too much out there counter-points your perspective. 

I never disputed Rhule's interest and fixation on marketing/social media.  As I said, that makes sense for a college coach to care about that.  Well, to wrongly care about.  Because they come from a world of recruiting kids.  One of the many reasons Rhule was unqualified because he didn't get what matters in the NFL and doesn't.    I'm sure a lot of people were annoyed with Rhule going outside a NFL coach's realm.  Not disputing that. 

and that being true, doesn't mean a proven hands-on billionaire gave total control to a nobody for years as the entire org was being laughed at nationally post year 1. And yeah, I get the "rumblings" from inside Bank of America that said it was all Rhule after things went bad.   The rumblings from inside where everyone else part of that nightmare era was left still standing in the end. 

But if it was all Matt Rhule? I don't get any argument that Fitt is good.   Because he has no resume of anything as a GM then.  Not here or elsewhere.  Everything tied to his name.... hasn't stepped on a field for us.  Or is that all Frank? 

 

[Verge]

Some insane takes tbh. 

[Mr. Scot]

While we're on this topic, something else to remember...

Even as the guy in charge, Scott Fitterer doesn't do all the evaluation, scouting, negotiation and such on his own. There's also the guys he brought in like Dan Morgan, Cole Spencer and now Adrian Wilson (who most would consider a home run hire) plus guys he promoted like Rob Hanrahan and others all working together.

That's not even mentioning the coaching staff's input, which I think pretty much everyone expects is going to be a lot better with the current group than the previous one.

This isn't Madden. It's an organization, not just one guy. At this organization has some pretty well thought of people in it.

Edited August 22, 2023 by Mr. Scot

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

While we're on this topic, something else to remember...

Even as the guy in charge, Scott Fitterer doesn't do all the evaluation, scouting and such on his own. There's also the guys he brought in like Dan Morgan, Cole Spencer and now Adrian Wilson (who most would consider a home run hire) plus guys he promoted like Rob Hanrahan and others all working together.

That's not even mentioning the coaching staffs input, which I think pretty much everyone expects is going to be a lot better with the current coaching staff in the previous one.

This isn't Madden. It's an organization, not just one guy.

Unless we want to be critical of the last 3 years.....then it's just one guy. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

Unless we want to be critical of the last 3 years.....then it's just one guy. 

Nope. Rhule had his staff (originally Hurney led and organized) guys like Pat Stewart, Evan Cooper and his other coaches and scouts, some of whom ended up leaving or being let go before Rhule was even finished.

In that area, it's worth noting that after 1 year on the job, Scott Fitterer was given a blank check to remake the personnel department however he saw fit. This while Rhule's influence was diminished

[Jon Snow]

All I know is that the combination of Rhule and Marty sucked. Rhule and Fitterer sucked together.  So the common denominator is Rhule and we all know Rhule sucked and so did Marty.

The jury is still out on Fitterer. He's been hit or miss so far since he's gotten here. The ony season I really can't give him blame or credit for was his first season with Rhule. After that, only Tepper knows how much control either really had and he's not talking.  So either way we are where we are and all that matters is what they ALL do going forward. 

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11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nope. Rhule had his staff (originally Hurney led and organized) guys like Pat Stewart, Evan Cooper and his other coaches and scouts, some of whom ended up leaving or being let go before Rhule was even finished.

In that area, it's worth noting that after 1 year on the job, Scott Fitterer was given a blank check to remake the personnel department however he saw fit. This while Rhule's influence was diminished

Then why argue when I say everyone deserves their fair share of the blame for the gigantic mess that has been the Panthers? And that people can't scapegoat it all to Rhule and act like others weren't part of it. 

and at least I am consistent in how I judge.  Agree or not. It's like when people attempted to pin all our offensive woes on Joe Brady in year 2.  Joe Brady had his issues.  But he was the scapegoat for all the offensive problems by some here.   We didn't just have an OC problem with our O. 

and while Matt Rhule was a massive part of the problem.  The primary one.  He wasn't the only problem in the Rhule era.  

[Mr. Scot]

43 minutes ago, CRA said:

Then why argue when I say everyone deserves their fair share of the blame for the gigantic mess that has been the Panthers? And that people can't scapegoat it all to Rhule and act like others weren't part of it. 

and at least I am consistent in how I judge.  Agree or not. It's like when people attempted to pin all our offensive woes on Joe Brady in year 2.  Joe Brady had his issues.  But he was the scapegoat for all the offensive problems by some here.   We didn't just have an OC problem with our O. 

and while Matt Rhule was a massive part of the problem.  The primary one.  He wasn't the only problem in the Rhule era.  

I wouldn't call what you're arguing "consistent".

The biggest difference is Rhule was a guy who actually tried to have as much control as possible.

No one describes Fitterer like that.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't call what you're arguing "consistent".

The biggest difference is Rhule was a guy who actually tried to have as much control as possible.

No one describes Fitterer like that.

The logic of not scapegoating all blame to one person is consistent.  Even guys I dislike.   And you basically are playing both sides of the fence.  Saying well it's a team and everyone is mixed up in one breath and then arguing against someone for saying Tepper/Fitt/Hurney all had their hands in the mess. 

and your biggest difference, has nothing to do with the actual convo.  Literally no one has suggested that of Fitt.  

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

The logic of not scapegoating all blame to one person is consistent.  Even guys I dislike.   And you basically are playing both sides of the fence.  Saying well it's a team and everyone is mixed up in one breath and then arguing against someone for saying Tepper/Fitt/Hurney all had their hands in the mess. 

and your biggest difference, has nothing to do with the actual convo.  Literally no one has suggested that of Fitt.  

Thing is there's plenty of material out there talking about who did what, who said this about that, who was where and why and more.

You don't want to hear about any of that because it doesn't fit with your narrative, but it's there anyway.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Verge said:

Some insane takes tbh. 

how many wins you thinking for this year?

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18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Thing is there's plenty of material out there talking about who did what, who said this about that, who was where and why and more.

You don't want to hear about any of that because it doesn't fit with your narrative, but it's there anyway.

my narrative is simply that Tepper, Hurney, Rhule, Fitt all were part of the mess that has been the Panthers.    All of them.    

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

my narrative is simply that Tepper, Hurney, Rhule, Fitt all were part of the mess that has been the Panthers.    All of them. 

Yet you only focus on Fitterer.

If your belief is that everyone in a group combines to make the decisions, then why are you solely focused on a guy who's changed the vast majority of the people around him?

Is that "consistent"?

Edited August 22, 2023 by Mr. Scot

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Yet you only focus on Fitterer.

If your belief is that everyone in a group combines to make the decisions, then why are you solely focused on a guy who's changed the vast majority of the people around him?

Is that "consistent"?

lol, you mean in the Fitterer thread?  Yeah, he sort of is the focus. 

and I still have mentioned and blamed Rhule, Tepper, and Marty....in the thread about Fitt.  You know, everyone else. 

and I largely just acknowledge there is some truth likely in everything.  While Matt Rhule was a totally unqualified and bad NFL coach.  Everyone generally had good things to say about the human.  And while it's fun to joke about the con job there is no reason to think he is a legit liar.  I think there are partial truths on his end.  Which get ignored in favor of the partial truth of guys still in black and blue.  And Matt Rhule specifically came out and addressed what he called the myth of him making all the roster moves, picks, etc. as he was trashed out the door.   So, I think there is some truth there.  Yeah, reporters like to remind you but in the contract it said he had final say if he wanted it.... but Rhule wanting to clarify that after his firing doesn't sound like he universally took advantage of that.  And some of the bad decisions came from other minds in the front office that were paid to make those decisions.