Is Fitterer the right guy?

[Cdparr7]

Yeah I’m really not a big fan of Fitterer. “I really don’t buy the whole Matt Rhule made every move that was bad and I made all the good ones” vibe that comes from the team.

Like Matt Rhule just busted up in his office and started whooping his ass with a belt if he didn’t make a roster move. 

I like the OL investment but I really think the OL improvement we seen last year was from Wilks running the ball 35 times per game and getting the ball out quick and I think we are seeing that in this new system with the breakdowns in protections. 
 

 

 

 

[Cdparr7]

Moves he has made that I don’t like:

-Trading for Sam Darnold

-Trading for Baker Mayfield

-Trading up for Matt Corral

-Trading for CJ Henderson

-Not trading Burns for 3 first round picks 

-Extending Donte Jackson

-Extending Robbie Anderson

-Taking Horn over Surtain, Slater, and Fields.

-Extending Ian Thomas

-Resigning Michael Jordan/Not cutting Michael Jordan.

-This weird insistence that Stephen Sullivan is an NFL TE.

-Assisting Rhule in his Baylor/Temple cronyism and nepotism.

-And I’m pretty sure I’m going to hate this trading up for DJ Johnson pick as well.

I don’t really mind him taking Icky over Neal but I still think Icky is going to have a hard time adapting to being a LT in a passing offense that isn’t run first.

In my opinion he has done more than enough to go out the door.

[Gerry Green]

 

All this angst after 2 Preseason games. Where we were warned that things were going to be vanilla. 

 

We are to learn from the past, not fear it. It's a new dawn, a new day. It just might work out.

 

If Bryce even sniffs the OROY we are competing for the Playoffs. I can live with that.

Edited August 22, 2023 by Gerry Green

[panthers55]

8 hours ago, pantherj said:

Wilks was send packing, so it didn't work out all that well. Fitt has seen a great many people sent packing. Not good obviously.

We have no idea if Reich will pan out, so just like with Burns we need to wait and see. I'm unaware of any sort of battle to court Reich and beat out other interested teams for his services. The last bidding war we had was for Rhule of course. 

Not trading Burns for 3 first round picks still bothers me. I'd rather have the picks based on what I've seen from Burns in the past. But I acknowledge that I'm just a fan, and my opinion could turn out to be incorrect.  

I certainly wouldn't and couldn't be the GM of the Panthers. I'm glad I'm just a fan as well.

Now I have a question for you. Were you one of Rhule's biggest defenders on the Huddle?

To answer the only point you raise worth responding to, no I was a critic of Rhule and didn't want a college coach to begin with. Exactly how many of them do well their first time in the nfl.  I am in favor of guys like Reich who are proven commodities.  He had a winning record in 3 of his 4 full seasons at Indy and had back to back winning seasons in 2020 and 2021. Something we haven't done in our history

 

[CRA]

well Fitt’s career here will be dictated by Bryce Young.  Same for Frank. And he can’t just be serviceable.

we traded away CMC, DJ Moore, a 2024 1st pick, all the picks we got for CMC in this years draft….in exchange to move up a couple spots in the first round and to get DJ Johnson. 

I mean, I like Bryce Young.  Thats not the debate.  But that’s a lot of assets when the GM had other QBs he could have snagged in the past couple drafts at no additional cost. 

So we will see.  

[TheCasillas]

9 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

Like Matt Rhule just busted up in his office and started whooping his ass with a belt if he didn’t make a roster move. 

Close but not exactly. Rhule would bang on tables and say “this is what we are doing, I know this is the right.” 
 

As reported last year after he was fired when the truth started coming out.

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

As reported last year after he was fired when the truth started coming out.

Everyone looking to cover for themselves when poo hit the fans.   Matt Rhule largely painted the narrative differently than folks around here.  That he wasn't the all powerful Oz.  Probably can't believe anyone when everyone is trying to save face. 

I still don't buy the college coach with no experience was given absolute power over everyone, at all times, until the day he was fired. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Everyone looking to cover for themselves when poo hit the fans.   Matt Rhule largely painted the narrative differently than folks around here.  That he wasn't the all powerful Oz.  Probably can't believe anyone when everyone is trying to save face. 

I still don't buy the college coach with no experience was given absolute power over everyone, at all times, until the day he was fired. 

You want to believe Matt Rhule's version of events?

Okay then

[CRA]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You want to believe Matt Rhule's version of events?

Okay then

I literally said you shouldn't believe anyone as the truth teller when poo hits the fan in a NFL franchise.    Everyone telling their own version of partial truths to make them not look bad. 

The poo show wasn't just Matt Rhule.  It was Tepper, Marty, Scott and Rhule.  I blame them all.  

[TheCasillas]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

I still don't buy the college coach with no experience was given absolute power over everyone, at all times, until the day he was fired. 

I ddint believe until I saw our social media team posting poo from his Baylor/Rutgers days..... at that moment i realized he did have control. A coach should never be involved in marketing, ever.

Edited August 22, 2023 by TheCasillas

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

I literally said you shouldn't believe anyone as the truth teller when poo hits the fan in a NFL franchise.    Everyone telling their own version of partial truths to make them not look bad. 

The poo show wasn't just Matt Rhule.  It was Tepper, Marty, Scott and Rhule.  I blame them all.  

That Rhule was given full control was documented multiple times well before his firing.

You can choose not to believe it if you want, but you do so with no source other than your own ass. Every reliable source says otherwise.

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I ddint believe until I saw our social media team posting poo from his Baylor/Rutgers days..... at that moment i realized he did have control. A coach should never be involved in marketing, ever.

yeah, but that's the dot connection that doesn't sell.  Did Rhule care about social media?  And that makes sense for a college coach. But because he butted in there he somehow to what is largely pointless social media...he then dominated a billionaire and his GM on all aspects of the actual franchise until the day he was fired?  I don't buy that.  

I blame them all.  I'm not carving out a space for Tepper, Marty or Scott.  Hell, people basically describe Marty when praising Scott lol and that's by anti-Marty folks.  Not sure how that works. 

 

 

 

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That Rhule was given full control was documented multiple times well before his firing.

You can choose not to believe it if you want, but you do so with no source other than your own ass. Every reliable source says otherwise.

twitter rumblings.  Everything was always a rumor.  What people thought. 

please feel free to share Tepper or Scott saying it was true.  Or the contract.  

again, poo hits the fan or is going bad....I don't believe anyone.  Or what they leak to reporters.  Everything is about saving face.  And it became evident preseason of year 2 that the Panthers made a massive mistake on Rhule.  He wasn't qualified or fit.   That's how quick they botched it.  And knew it.  Everyone knew that but the optimistic to fault segment of the huddle. 

and again, let's pretend it was true.  That makes Fitt a joke.  A paper GM.  And it means, Tepper has a vast interest and involvement in everything from soccer, to entertainment.....just not football.  He will farm total control to random college football coach.  Despite that being the core of Tepper Sports and the fact Tepper is documented to be heavily involved in everything else.  

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

twitter rumblings.  Everything was always a rumor.  What people thought. 

please feel free to share Tepper or Scott saying it was true.  Or the contract.  

again, poo hits the fan or is going bad....I don't believe anyone.  Or what they leak to reporters.  Everything is about saving face.  And it became evident preseason of year 2 that the Panthers made a massive mistake on Rhule.  He wasn't qualified or fit.   That's how quick they botched it.  And knew it.  Everyone knew that but the optimistic to fault segment of the huddle. 

and again, let's pretend it was true.  That makes Fitt a joke.  A paper GM.  And it means, Tepper has a vast interest and involvement in everything from soccer, to entertainment.....just not football.  He will farm total control to random college football coach.  Despite that being the core of Tepper Sports and the fact Tepper is documented to be heavily involved in everything else.  

Dude, this is some of the heaviest bullsh-tting I've ever seen you do

The whole "I never believe anyone" bit actually translates to "I make up my own narrative in my head and no amount of reported facts from actual sources will change my mind", which pretty well sums up your posting.

I guess David Tepper is sitting next to you in the room again

Edited August 22, 2023 by Mr. Scot