Is Fitterer the right guy?

[Sgt Schultz]

30 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Spent two hours mowing and weeding. Come back, and you two are still at it. lol

I assume you are going back out to weed some more.  Hell, you may plant a few new ones just to pull them out 30 minutes later.  I would!

[Sgt Schultz]

3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to do this at morning time you know before it gets real hot.

 

Cmon old man work smarter not harder.

 

Yupperz!

He probably did.  After he came back the first time, World War 47 was still raging so he went back out and did it again.  Tomorrow, he may tar his roof if this continues.

I don't even have any grass to mow here, but I may go to Lowe's tonight and buy a lawn mower anyway.

[Gerry Green]

3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to do this at morning time you know before it gets real hot.

 

Cmon old man work smarter not harder.

 

Yupperz!

 

I appreciate your advice. But the shade doesn't hit until later in the afternoon.

[Mr. Scot]

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I think most guys in this world speak partial truths and I treat/view them all the same. You continue to blame one man for all the problems.   Which as you said is never the case…..but that is exactly your repeated case. 

and yeah, Rhule wasn’t a POS human like an Urban.  He just was a trainwreck at his NFL job.  He got praise til the end and after on the human aspect..   So if he felt like he got too much and wanted to defend himself a little to narratives that weren’t really accurate? I can see some truth in what he said.  Because frankly it just makes sense that it wasn’t all him.  

That kid comment is just that.  That’s where the coach hate drifts into the absurd.  Which I enjoy as much as the next person on a message board.   But yeah,  his comment actually makes sense as a father of young kids.   Easy to see how little kids felt threatened and they no longer could go. 

Sorry, wrong. Plenty of people who worked for the Panthers (social media, for example) pegged Rhule as a narcissistic control freak. The bit with his kids is part of that. And to be clear, they're not toddlers (his youngest is eight).

And yes, he's a liar.

46 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

Spent two hours mowing and weeding. Come back, and you two are still at it. lol

He's bullsh-tting. It's his thing.

I'm indulging it because I'm bored

[Gerry Green]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sorry, wrong. Plenty of people who worked for the Panthers (social media, for example) pegged Rhule as a narcissistic control freak. The bit with his kids is part of that. And to be clear, they're not toddlers (his youngest is eight).

And yes, he's a liar.

He's bullsh-tting. It's his thing.

I'm indulging it because I'm bored

 

Yeah, I've gone through it myself. It's usually fun for a while, but it tends to get old pretty quickly anymore. It's like a Gaslight special. lol

[CRA]

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sorry, wrong. Plenty of people who worked for the Panthers (social media, for example) pegged Rhule as a narcissistic control freak. The bit with his kids is part of that. And to be clear, they're not toddlers (his youngest is eight).

And yes, he's a liar.

He's bullsh-tting. It's his thing.

I'm indulging it because I'm bored

He is no more a liar than Tepper or the 31 other NFL teams.   Which again, is my stance.   They all do the same nonsense.  And again, you are contradicting your own stance.... that it's never one man.  But that's your actual argument.  

Yes, and you harping on the kid thing now just shows you have gone blind on this on the Rhule issue.  Yes, that is just Rhule being a dad and again it totally makes sense.  You got kids? An 8 year old wouldn't find it very comfortable to be in arena of thousands upon thousands of thousands of strangers....booing and heckling him and his family.  8 is a 2nd or 3rd grader.  People saying the type nonsense in real life that is said on a message board?  So again, it totally makes sense that his kids didn't feel comfortable with all that and no longer could do those things.  That's where you got to separate football fandom and real life.  

Matt Rhule was a poo NFL coach.  Nothing more.  But you need him to more than that.  Not me.  And no one was harder on the coach than me.  But he was only part of the problem.  As you said, it's never one man despite your argument that it is. 

[MechaZain]

Only nonsensical move Fitterer's made was picking up Darnold's option. Everything else was justified given our options at the time IMO and he has a great handle on the market conditions around the league. 

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, CRA said:

He is no more a liar than Tepper or the 31 other NFL teams.   Which again, is my stance.   They all do the same nonsense.  And again, you are contradicting your own stance.... that it's never one man.  But that's your actual argument.  

Yes, and you harping on the kid thing now just shows you have gone blind on this on the Rhule issue.  Yes, that is just Rhule being a dad and again it totally makes sense.  You got kids? An 8 year old wouldn't find it very comfortable to be in arena of thousands upon thousands of thousands of strangers....booing and heckling him and his family.  8 is a 2nd or 3rd grader.  People saying the type nonsense in real life that is said on a message board?  So again, it totally makes sense that his kids didn't feel comfortable with all that and no longer could do those things.  That's where you got to separate football fandom and real life.  

Matt Rhule was a poo NFL coach.  Nothing more.  But you need him to more than that.  Not me.  And no one was harder on the coach than me.  But he was only part of the problem.  As you said, it's never one man despite your argument that it is. 

So your stance now is that everybody lies and we can't believe anything that anybody says...except Matt Rhule when he talks about how he didn't really have full control despite everybody saying he did.

You've really amped up the bullsh-t on this one

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

So your stance now is that everybody lies and we can't believe anything that anybody says...except Matt Rhule when he talks about how he didn't really have full control despite everybody saying he did.

You've really amped up the bullsh-t on this one

I can say it one last time, for you to intentionally confuse.

When poo hits the fan, everyone engages in PR, spin, and half truths.   All sides.  I clearly never said Matt Rhule isn't the truth teller.  No one is.  Said everyone is working in partial and selective truths to make themselves look good.   That's a universal stance.    I simply don't ignore the partial truths that come from outside the current offices of BOA. 

Matt Rhule was a big problem.  Matt Rhule wasn't all of our problems.  Everyone has blame on their hands that has been in Carolina.  Hardly a radical concept. 

Heck, Matt Rhule should of never even been allowed to attempt a year 3.   And it's why he was fired after 6 games in a predictably pointless season.  It was an embarrassing comedy after 2 seasons. And Urban Meyer being an all time comedy show doesn't change what we were despite it giving some cover to this organization in addition to being a small market.  That was obvious.  Well, it wasn't to the defenders of a bad front office at the time.   

again, as you said, it's never one man....but that's your argument. 

 

[RumHam]

never thought he was.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

I can say it one last time, for you to intentionally confuse.

When poo hits the fan, everyone engages in PR, spin, and half truths.   All sides.  I clearly never said Matt Rhule isn't the truth teller.  No one is.  Said everyone is working in partial and selective truths to make themselves look good.   That's a universal stance.    I simply don't ignore the partial truths that come from outside the current offices of BOA. 

Matt Rhule was a big problem.  Matt Rhule wasn't all of our problems.  Everyone has blame on their hands that has been in Carolina.  Hardly a radical concept. 

Heck, Matt Rhule should of never even been allowed to attempt a year 3.   And it's why he was fired after 6 games in a predictably pointless season.  It was an embarrassing comedy after 2 seasons. And Urban Meyer being an all time comedy show doesn't change what we were despite it giving some cover to this organization in addition to being a small market.  That was obvious.  Well, it wasn't to the defenders of a bad front office at the time.   

again, as you said, it's never one man....but that's your argument. 

Your argument has been to try your best to minimize Matt Rhule's influence (even denying that he had full control when every source says he did) in order to put more blame on Scott Fitterer.

The true person engaging in half truths, spin and deflection is you

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Your argument has been to try your best to minimize Matt Rhule's influence (even denying that he had full control when every source says he did) in order to put more blame on Scott Fitterer.

The true person engaging in half truths, spin and deflection is you

No, it's not.  Much like when Joe Brady got fired....the problems that remain become the relevant ones to fixate on.  Not the other way around.   Matt Rhule is now gone. 

I'm not putting more blame on Fitt.  I'm just putting some blame on him. 

Tepper, Marty, Rhule, and Fitt.  They all deserve blame.  And that's what you have been arguing against.    

 

[Gerry Green]

I know I'm just an old guy with a computer. But after 2 days of this. Epic or not. Isn't it about time to lock this stupid thread?

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

I know I'm just an old guy with a computer. But after 2 days of this. Epic or not. Isn't it about time to lock this stupid thread?

I'd live

CRA just piling it higher at this point.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Mr. Scot