Hey guys, it's 2011 not 2015.

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4 hours ago, NAS said:

Disagree.  2011 came after 1-15 season. 
 

We didn’t earn the #1 pick this year, we traded up from #9 to get Bryce Young after finishing 7-10 and second in NFC South. 
 

My expectations are more 2013. Playoff appearance. 

This. We were a borderline playoff team last year with some of the worst Qb play in the NFL. By all means we should be significantly better this year. 

[csx]

Preparing for regular season is all that matters. If this lights a fire than great. Yes it was very disappointing........but it doesn't mean a thing.

 

[KSpan]

33 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Then why were we 1 game away from making the playoffs last year?

 

Im trying to figure out why people think we are so far away from making the playoffs with a better HC and a better QB.

 

Seems like more people still stuck in the past if you ask me. We hired a new coach and staff and the goal is to get better as a team not get worst. Playoffs in this division is a toss up. If we can't win the division then Tepper needs to look in the mirror and let someone else start making decisions because clearly it hasn't been working since he took over.

Because the massive amount of change has to be factored in. New QB or new coach/schemes? Fine. New QB, a rookie at that, AND new coach? That's a ton to settle in and it renders the prior year effectively moot.

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2 hours ago, t96 said:

The division is no better than last year, probably worse with Brady retired and the Bucs likely bottom feeders. 1st overall QB coming off 7 wins last year with a superstar coaching staff assembled and the expectations should be high. The pressure should be on this staff. 

I'm not buying it. The Saints have been a threat forever it seems like, and for all the criticism of Carr, he has been solid, if unspectacular, most of the time, and he's most certainly an upgrade over Dalton or Turnover Winston. The Saints defense will likely be better than ours, their O-line is solid, and you can't take away anything from Kamara, Jamaal Williams, Thomas or Olave. I wouldn't exactly sleep on their TEs either. But Carr should make a big difference for them. I certainly wouldn't sleep on the Falcons or Bucs either. 

Now, people may not agree, but when the coaching search was coming to a close and the rumors were abound, I said then that I was skeptical about Reich's play calling. Now, he's well-respected for a reason, don't get me wrong, but he isn't perfect and many Colts fans and writers have been critical of some of his play calls, particularly at critical times. Even if one overlooks all that, there are still many different personalities and philosophies that must be meshed into an efficient and effective staff. That takes time.

So, we're just going to disagree on this one. I agree that standards should be high, but you still have to give all these pieces a certain amount of time to actually make it to the playoffs. One season is insufficient in my opinion. 

[CPantherKing]

Remind me how many points Rivera and Newton scored in 2011? Then compare it to the league.

So, what expectations do we have for Reich and Young? Is it acceptable for them to be among the worst first year coach/QB combo the Panthers have had?

Should we expect Young to perform better than Delhomme in his first year with the Panthers? First year Delhomme should be held to a higher standard?

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58 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think "expecting" playoffs is a little much. I do think that we shouldn't immediately be discounted as a possibility. 

I'm not discounting the possibility of making the playoffs this season, but using that as a standard or expectation in the first year of a coach--really a team, is unfair in my opinion.  

[CRA]

3 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

This board has this weird beef with Wilks I just don't understand.

 

Wilks was the talk of the NFL how he turned our season around. We went from playing for nothing to having a legit chance to make the playoffs. People please stop trying to act like Wilks had no impact on this team.

The players freaking loved Wilks.

I like Wilks.  Got no beef with Wilks.  I think the players liked him. BUT we weren’t a good football team under him.  We just happened to play a lot of teams that were amongst the worst in stopping the run or had horrific QBs.   When we played an actual playoff team we got smashed.  Early and hard.  Wasn’t even competitive for a quarter.  And that has nothing to do with Wilks being bad.  He didn’t have the talent to actually have a good football team and the 2022 Panthers weren’t a good team under him. 

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1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

Remind me how many points Rivera and Newton scored in 2011? Then compare it to the league.

So, what expectations do we have for Reich and Young? Is it acceptable for them to be among the worst first year coach/QB combo the Panthers have had?

Should we expect Young to perform better than Delhomme in his first year with the Panthers? First year Delhomme should be held to a higher standard?

This is actually a fair bit of logic that I haven’t thought about. Bryce was treated, rightfully, as a prospect with no flaws and the only question around him was can he stay healthy? So if he is healthy, and has minimal flaws, should he not be held to the same standard as previous first round QBs? And then when you look at those QBs that were day 1 starters after being drafted, how many were in better situations than Young? 
 

Burrow had more questions entering the draft than Young with the potential of being a one year wonder playing a fifth year of college ball playing against younger guys on a loaded team. 
 

And Burrow had a worse offensive line than we do. Sanders to Mixon is basically a wash. We have solid TEs now and should have three solid pass cachers at WR. I don’t know how the bar can be lower than rookie year Burrow numbers. 
 

Young should have 65%+ completions, 20 passing TDs and 3400+ yards. If we had this QB play last year we go to the playoffs. We should be competing for a playoff spot this year. 

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1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

 

So, what expectations do we have for Reich and Young? Is it acceptable for them to be among the worst first year coach/QB combo the Panthers have had?

Should we expect Young to perform better than Delhomme in his first year with the Panthers? First year Delhomme should be held to a higher standard?

First year Cam and Delhomme had better talent around them than Bryce Young will this year.  Talent matters. 

Bryce has the weakest talent around him
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Icege]

Some of the people in this thread that regularly comment on QB evaluations have done everything they can to make sure that they're ignored going forward.

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You are discrediting what he did by making excuses about the competition he played.

 

The QB's in this division are even worst than last year now that Brady is retired. We also have a weak schedule Miami/Jacksonville are our toughest opponents.

 

There is no excuse why we should make the playoffs this year. As a fan im trying to move forward. We can't keep making excuses for us sucking year after year. We changed the entire staff. We want results!

I’m acknowledging the actual play and opponents…..and not just the win. 

again, to think we can win games scoring 10 points and a QB throwing for 40 yards this year vs the Saints as realistic??

we played crap teams and when we when stepped on the field vs a good team last year we got brutally stomped. 
 

we weren’t good under Wilks.  We would play bad conservative football and it would allow us to compete vs bad teams that couldn’t stop the run.  But good football is not what we did last year. 

[Ezrider1423]

7 hours ago, Zod said:

This will be a losing season, just like 2011 was.

The fun in it is that we get to watch a young team grow into what we hope will be a playoff team. 

By year 3 I suspect we will be there.

I agree with the watching the team grow..It’s one game. One preseason game, and everyone wants to draw conclusions and predict the future.  I’m not saying it’s gonna be a winning or losing season, I’m just along for the ride. The journey is the fun part.  Let it play out with no expectations

[Sgt Schultz]

29 minutes ago, CRA said:

I’m acknowledging the actual play and opponents…..and not just the win. 

again, to think we can win games scoring 10 points and a QB throwing for 40 yards this year vs the Saints as realistic??

we played crap teams and when we when stepped on the field vs a good team last year we got brutally stomped. 
 

we weren’t good under Wilks.  We would play bad conservative football and it would allow us to compete vs bad teams that couldn’t stop the run.  But good football is not what we did last year. 

Wilks was smart enough to see our only path to wins was last year was to run the ball, control the clock, minimize the chances one of our QBs would throw the game away, and rely on pushing people around in the trenches.  It just happened to play into Wilks' own tendencies as a HC. 

The problem with that is that it works until it doesn't.  When it didn't, we weren't good enough to have much else in the arsenal.

People citing that we were one win away from the playoffs also need to recognize that the entire division can say that.  It was not because we or anybody was good. 

Are the playoffs even a possibility?  Well, the NFL still requires the NFCS to supply a team to the postseason, and until everybody proves otherwise, this is a doormat of a division that somebody has to win.....or at least not lose as bad as the other three.  But beyond that, people set their expectations at their own peril.

It is kinda hard for four teams to be as lacking for two consecutive years as as the four in the NFCS were last year.  Odds are somebody is going to improve.  But, all four still have significant question marks and "ifs" attached to their chances. 

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16 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We weren't good under Wilks but you telling me not to expect playoffs when we were 1 game away from making the playoffs with Wilks. So in other words Frank will not be much of an upgrade over Wilks either. Expectations are low if we aren't expecting a jump to the playoffs.

 

Do you understand this makes no sense?

 

 

Your entire premise is based on being able to be “one game away” from postseason play this year if we were just as bad as last season.   And then you add upgrades and then add more wins.  Which isn’t how you can/should look at it. 

New season.   No clue who are the tough and bad teams.   People stamping in Saints and Falcons as trash and fact.  Other aspects too.  Can’t do that.  NFL history says you cant. 

this year we have a rookie QB.  New O.  New D,  New HC.  That has never been a formula for a team to look good.  Winning is hard and I imagine it will be for this team. 

again, see Cam in 2011.   Winning is hard.  For rookies and new teams.