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Hey guys, it's 2011 not 2015.

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Castavar Grand Master

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

But you can’t base everything on last years record.   It will be a new season.  Every team and season is different. 

The 2011 squad was significantly better on O around the QB than what we have this year.  Yet you paint us a better positioned.   And Cam brought insane offensive volume.  

winning is hard for rookies. For teams with new coaches and all new schemes. 

and how are the Saints and Falcons worse? 

Yeah, and we were also in one of (if not THE best at the time) divisions in football in 2011. Atlanta had 13 wins that last year, New Orleans had 11, and the Bucs had 10 wins the previous year before 2011. Not to mention we had THE hardest schedule going into 2011 as well. Neither of those apply this year. So yes, we are definitely positioned better than 2011.

Saints and Falcons got marginally better at best. Bucs got SUBSTANTIALLY worse, so overall it's a push. Still a bad division.

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28 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The division is still crap.

 

Only thing changed is the team who won the division got worse in Tampa Bay losing Brady for Baker.

 

We were 1 game away from making the playoffs with Steve Wilks. If we hired an upgrade at HC im expecting to get better not worst.

Reich is not an upgrade from Willks - they're both average, Rivera-esque coaches that will go up on down in any given year. Reich's staff appears better than Rhule's/what Wilks had to work with. We'll see if that makes a difference.

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3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

This is pretty much how I feel.

 

Not sure why people are expecting us to be worst than last year. We upgraded the QB position improved the coaching staff and have a legit defense.

 

Brady is gone.

 

Carr/Mayfield/Ridder is the competition. Our defense should feast on these QB's. If Bryce lives up to the hype then we should have more than enough on offense/defense/coaching. It's a new era Rhule is no longer here people! 

 

Believe!

The opposing QB won't matter much, if the team can just run it down your throat. Our D was average last year. Look average at the moment as well.

On top of that. Bryce may be an upgrade, BUT  he is still rookie. His inexperience will show at times. Especially if he has no protection.

Anybody who thought we were playoff contenders, with a rookie QB. A new coach. A new O scheme. A new D scheme. Wasn't thinking logically.

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14 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

 

 

Not sure why people are expecting us to be worst than last year. We upgraded the QB position improved the coaching staff.

 

With Bryce Young who if played 4Q yesterday would have left BoA on a stretcher, and the Colts castoff HC

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10 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

The opposing QB won't matter much, if the team can just run it down your throat. Our D was average last year. Look average at the moment as well.

On top of that. Bryce may be an upgrade, BUT  he is still rookie. His inexperience will show at times. Especially if he has no protection.

Anybody who thought we were playoff contenders, with a rookie QB. A new coach. A new O scheme. A new D scheme. Wasn't thinking logically.

If riddler can just be average with those weapons then they will be tough. No 2 ways around it

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3 hours ago, t96 said:

Sorry but gonna have to strongly disagree here. We’re coming off a 7 win season not a 2 win season, and our 2 biggest weaknesses we’re coaching and QB both of which we upgraded significantly. In this division I think anything short of a playoff appearance is a disappointment.

The performance of our offensive line will determine the ceiling of this team. 

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22 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Reich is not an upgrade from Willks - they're both average, Rivera-esque coaches that will go up on down in any given year. Reich's staff appears better than Rhule's/what Wilks had to work with. We'll see if that makes a difference.

Agree to disagree. Wilks would have just been another Rivera. Reich has a chance to be the best coach we ever had. Colts were a dumpster fire and a meddling owner didn’t help. 

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2 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Agree to disagree. Wilks would have just been another Rivera. Reich has a chance to be the best coach we ever had. Colts were a dumpster fire and a meddling owner didn’t help. 

In the NFL in 2023 you need a head coach that is a tactician like mcvay, Shanny,, Reid etc to out scheme your opponent.  A leader of men type coach a la ron or Wilks is just trying to get the players emotional for games.  That doesn't work long term.  

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3 hours ago, top dawg said:

I mean, I don't know how you guys can realistically expect the playoffs with everything so new, but more power to you. If this were a normal year in a normal division, we wouldn't be sniffing the playoffs. Every team in our division is supposed to make for a weak division, much like last season, but there are scenarios where that may not be true (and if history is our guide, it won't be true). That being said, we are basically the newest kid on the block so to speak. I would say that the Saints (if not the Falcons), are supposed to be farther along the curve than we are. There's a lot of inexperience with our team. 

I think "expecting" playoffs is a little much. I do think that we shouldn't immediately be discounted as a possibility. 

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think "expecting" playoffs is a little much. I do think that we shouldn't immediately be discounted as a possibility. 

That’s about where I’m at. If Evero can get this defense in the top 10 plus our OL stays healthy and picks up where they left off last season we have enough to be in the race IMO. 

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Good, because the Chiefs 3rd and 4th string offense looks better than all of ours. Each of their QB's has thoroughly outplayed all of our guys as well. Context matters but  Buschel and Oladakpo (whatever his name is) have both made some wow throws and off schedule plays.

Whether it's 2011 or not is up for debate but I've veen flamed since April for saying the defense would be a work in progress, that Ickey is the most overrated player on this squad, and that Bryce would need to adjust. I was even fuging banned for a week for suggesting Bryce may struggle a bit. 

And I was right, as long as the offensive line play continues the way it has in pass protection going back to the beginning of last year, and now into Week 1 of the preseason, he will struggle. 

What is different from 2011 is that we had a 255 lb QB who could withstand some breakdowns in protection. Bryce can't take too many shots like he took on Saturday before he ends up injured.

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11 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Good, because the Chiefs 3rd and 4th string offense looks better than all of ours. Each of their QB's has thoroughly outplayed all of our guys as well. Context matters but  Buschel and Oladakpo (whatever his name is) have both made some wow throws and off schedule plays.

Whether it's 2011 or not is up for debate but I've veen flamed since April for saying the defense would be a work in progress, that Ickey is the most overrated player on this squad, and that Bryce would need to adjust. I was even fuging banned for a week for suggesting Bryce may struggle a bit. 

And I was right, as long as the offensive line play continues the way it has in pass protection going back to the beginning of last year, and now into Week 1 of the preseason, he will struggle. 

What is different from 2011 is that we had a 255 lb QB who could withstand some breakdowns in protection. Bryce can't take too many shots like he took on Saturday before he ends up injured.

https://theathletic.com/3976961/2022/12/07/panthers-ikem-ekwonu-rookie-left-tackle/

 

The man went 594 consecutive snaps without allowing a sack his rookie year as our LT and you think he is overrated?  We had a solid young OL last year (I think we were ranked 11) and now we are returning all starters with our OL coach.  It may take a minute to learn the new schemes but calling our potential franchise LT overrated seems odd??

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