Offensive Line struggles

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From The Athletic 

https://theathletic.com/4771391/2023/08/12/panthers-preseason-stock-report-analysis/

The entire offensive line: The Jets have a deep and talented group of defensive linemen, and the Panthers couldn’t block them. It was a pitiful performance from a group that is supposed to be a strength, even without right guard Austin Corbett. Offensive line coach James Campen called a meeting with his players, veteran tackle Cam Erving said, “the s— wasn’t good enough.”

Left tackle Ikem Ekwonu gave up two of the hits on Young — against Thomas and Bryce Huff. Ekwonu, last year’s first-round pick, had a tough debut against Myles Garrett in Week 1 before settling in as a pass blocker. But Saturday was far from his best day.

“It definitely wasn’t good enough. Not up to our standards at all,” Ekwonu said.

Erving and reserve tackle Larnel Coleman gave up pressures and guard Michael Jordan was beaten repeatedly. Asked if the Panthers were rusty, Ekwonu said: “You can’t really chalk it up to anything. Just weren’t good enough today. At the end of the day we didn’t get it done.”

OL Michael Jordan: The Panthers tried Charlotte’s other M.J. in a couple of spots. But trouble followed Jordan wherever he lined up. At right guard in the first half, Jordan was beaten right off the snap by Quinton Jefferson, who sacked Young for a nine-yard loss. It didn’t get any better in the second half. Playing right tackle, Jordan was whistled for a false start to turn a third-and-5 into a third-and-10. On the ensuing play, he failed to pick up a stunt and let Bruce Hector get past him and sack Corral, whose fumble was recovered by Hector. Corral should have seen the pressure and either gotten rid of the ball or protected it better. Still, Jordan’s performance likely had coaches and the front office questioning why they brought him back. Jordan declined to comment after the game.

 

[Icege]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

Them stunting has nothing to do with Bryce holding onto the ball. He actually got rid of the ball very quickly but offensive line couldn’t give him any time to let routes develop downfield 

Them stunting is to generate pressure. Bryce holding on to the ball for something to open up downfield allows those stunts to develop and might be a viable strategy to be used against him if his college game translates to the pros.

The comparison to the roughing the passer penalties vs. Cam is how defenses might be okay with taking a war of attrition approach by stacking hits over the course of the game. Hard to do when a QB always gets the ball out quickly, but if they're willing to extend the play there's a lot more opportunities to brutalize them.

Hopefully that clarifies what I meant a little better than I originally worded. Did not intend to imply that Bryce holding on to the ball was why pressure were happening. It was only to point out that because he'll let things develop that defenses will be able to take those opportunities on obvious passing downs.

 

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2 minutes ago, Icege said:

Them stunting is to generate pressure. Bryce holding on to the ball for something to open up downfield allows those stunts to develop and might be a viable strategy to be used against him if his college game translates to the pros

It would be fair criticism if that’s what actually happened. Those stunts happened so quickly the receivers didn’t even break yet and when they did, Bryce delivered but got hit.

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5 minutes ago, Icege said:

Hopefully that clarifies what I meant a little better than I originally worded. Did not intend to imply that Bryce holding on to the ball was why pressure were happening. It was only to point out that because he'll let things develop that defenses will be able to take those opportunities on obvious passing downs.

And I would be OK with that,  he will have to check down more than he wants to

Edited August 13, 2023 by NAS

[Icege]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

[Jacabee]

Didn’t we also forego a practice this week due to weather while the jets practiced indoors? These guys are a week a head already given the hall of fame game. They’re on their best behavior with hard knocks sniffing around. We came out unprepared against a hyped up hungry team. This should be a teaching moment and it’s on the coaching staff to get prepped for next week. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Jacabee

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50 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

Didn’t we also forego a practice this week due to weather while the jets practiced indoors? These guys are a week a head already given the hall of fame game. They’re on their best behavior with hard knocks sniffing around. We came out unprepared against a hyped up hungry team. This should be a teaching moment and it’s on the coaching staff to get prepped for next week. 

Damn I forgot we have to relive this embarrassment on the next episode of Hard Knocks

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Cam Erving should be gone

[DennisM1]

How about drafting a LT that's good at run blocking but not passing in the top 10!! L O fuging L! 

[top dawg]

8 hours ago, Star Platinum said:

I put this largely on Chubba, he seemed unable to do anything on the ground to back off the pass rush, and they just started t-ing off on the qbs… I feel us not having a bruiser back will be felt

Don't know how you can blame Chuba, the O-line got zero push. Kevin Patra got everything right:

"The struggles of the offensive line undercut Young's debut. Despite playing four starters, Carolina got no push in the run game, and the QB was regularly pressured. The right guard spot is a clear issue, at least until Austin Corbett returns from the physically unable to perform list. The Panthers rotated the RG position during Young's three drives, with Michael Jordan giving up the sack."

https://www.nfl.com/news/qb-bryce-young-debut-highlights-concerns-for-panthers

 

[OceanPanther]

With what we saw ,, what the coaches saw  Saturday ,,   Bryce Young's  snap count probably will be cut in half .  Can't afford for him to be hurt in preseason.  We all realize our # 1 running back was not playing, as well as low snap counts for many starters.   Matt Corral will be given much more time to try to impress coaches because of the O Line.  And he did not look good at all. 

 

[Tbe]

Bryce shouldn’t play again until the OL proves they can protect the QB.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, OceanPanther said:

With what we saw ,, what the coaches saw  Saturday ,,   Bryce Young's  snap count probably will be cut in half .  Can't afford for him to be hurt in preseason.  We all realize our # 1 running back was not playing, as well as low snap counts for many starters.   Matt Corral will be given much more time to try to impress coaches because of the O Line.  And he did not look good at all. 

Not so sure. Since they cut the fourth game, Preseason Two tends to be the "dress rehearsal" game where the starters play the most snaps.

Depends on whether we follow that script, I suppose.

[Panthercougar68]

McDonald for NY will be a pro bowl caliber pass rusher in a year or 2 that dude has some athletic bend.