Why is everyone giving up on Matt MoorE?

[TheRealDeal]

He has an average arm (40-50 yard range from what I have seen), average decison making and accuracy (he makes so good reads like the one to smith on the goalline but more often makes those WTF type throws) and he is not a Delhomme type leader (I just don't see the same fire and determination as Jake had in his prime and its not even close).

That ball to Smitty vs Tampa was easily 60

Also, I didn't know you were a pro scout. Did you also know Kurt Warner and Romo would never make it? Did you also slot Brady in the 6th because he was at best a journeyman? Did you see Ryan Leaf as a bust? Did you ..... and the list goes on.

Don't get it twisted, in no way am i saying for sure Moore is one of those guys but how do you know? You have too little a sampling to decide.

The one thing Moore has working against him is he was not drafted. If he was a high draft pick he would be given all the time in the world to develop but since he was UDFA we throw him to the wolves.

On a side note, people on here want a "Franchise QB" through FA or the draft but its not always the QB, the system has to fit that player to let them show their abilities, if you handcuff any qb in this league they will look average at best

[jramsey4]

That ball to Smitty vs Tampa was easily 60

Also, I didn't know you were a pro scout. Did you also know Kurt Warner and Romo would never make it? Did you also slot Brady in the 6th because he was at best a journeyman? Did you see Ryan Leaf as a bust? Did you ..... and the list goes on.

Don't get it twisted, in no way am i saying for sure Moore is one of those guys but how do you know? You have too little a sampling to decide.

The one thing Moore has working against him is he was not drafted. If he was a high draft pick he would be given all the time in the world to develop but since he was UDFA we throw him to the wolves.

On a side note, people on here want a "Franchise QB" through FA or the draft but its not always the QB, the system has to fit that player to let them show their abilities, if you handcuff any qb in this league they will look average at best

What? If he was more talented or if he was more productive in college then he would be drafted. Then he would be given more slack. He has been here for 3 years. If he was a 1st round pick and was playing like this after 3 years in the same system I would be calling bust. Face it he is not that talented and is a average at best QB.

[panthers55]

Moore did not play well in either game. He only threw 1 pick but only threw one TD as well. How many passing first downs does he have? 7 against Tampa and 8 against the Patriots.

Out of 50 attempts that means that around 30% go for first downs. The only problem is that isn't very good given that we throw alot more on third down than teams with little to no rushing attack. So the percentage should be higher.

What is our third down efficiency with Moore- 6 for 25 or 25%. What was his average gain per pass at new England- 5.6 yards. Average run gain- 5.2 yards.

How are these numbers compared to the year to date?

2009 numbers:

33% of all pass attempts have gone for a first down. Third down efficiency for the year- 36%.

Average gain per pass this year: 6.3

Average gain per rush this year: 4.8

Points per game for the year- 17.3 for the year (25th). Moore's 2 games we are averaging 13 points a game.

Tell me again how well he is doing.

[AKPantherFan]

The problem is, the season isnt over, not in Fox's mind. I know you all think that were not in the playoffs, but for will FIGHT for 8-8 to save his ass, and his only hope is Jake.

He sat Jake for 2 games to let him chill and to see if Moore could do more, now he knows, and Jake will be back at practice Wednesday.

[pantherj]

Wow really? Freeman is already a better qb than Moore? I like Freeman and I'm sure he will be a stud but he has had some terrible gms. He threw like 5 int's against us last week lol.

Freeman has a lot of raw talent imo. Moore doesn't. Freeman is on a terrible team, Moore is on a good team. Freeman > Moore imo based on the way they throw the ball, not on INT totals. Freeman has a better arm, and more accuracy imo. Who would I want for this season only? Neither one is going to do much. Who has the biggest upside? Seems clear to me that Freeman will be the man in TB for a long time. Moore? Well let's just say I wish him the best.

[Davidson Deac II]

The only reason people have given up on Matt Moore is that he is not a big name. Either that or they expect a QB to be magnificient from the time he steps under center. Just part of our instant gratification, impatient society.

[TheRealDeal]

What? If he was more talented or if he was more productive in college then he would be drafted. Then he would be given more slack. He has been here for 3 years. If he was a 1st round pick and was playing like this after 3 years in the same system I would be calling bust. Face it he is not that talented and is a average at best QB.

You are right because where you go in the draft determines how talented you are...that makes sense. Why don't they just make depth charts that way then? So Jarrett is obviously more talented than the other Steve Smith. Jamarcus Russell is obviously more talented than Adrian Peterson. Alex Smith is obviously more talented than Aaron Rodgers...shall I keep going or are you getting the point?

Yes he's been here three years...one of which he missed due to a broken leg. Its not like he has played for those three years, it was his 5th start and basically his 5th week working with the 1's, with a year in between. Bottom line is any young QB we bring in is going to have growing pains and if you are going to complain about a 200 yd 1 td performance and a 3-2 record then no one will be successful enough. Young QBs need time to develop

[jramsey4]

That ball to Smitty vs Tampa was easily 60

Also, I didn't know you were a pro scout. Did you also know Kurt Warner and Romo would never make it? Did you also slot Brady in the 6th because he was at best a journeyman? Did you see Ryan Leaf as a bust? Did you ..... and the list goes on.

Don't get it twisted, in no way am i saying for sure Moore is one of those guys but how do you know? You have too little a sampling to decide.

The one thing Moore has working against him is he was not drafted. If he was a high draft pick he would be given all the time in the world to develop but since he was UDFA we throw him to the wolves.

On a side note, people on here want a "Franchise QB" through FA or the draft but its not always the QB, the system has to fit that player to let them show their abilities, if you handcuff any qb in this league they will look average at best

Also I did not start following pro football until 01 after all those guys were already in the league (aside from Romo). Romo is in my eyes to inconsistent to start using as the poster boy for a UDFA QB which most seem to have to use due to the very limited number of starting UDFA QB's (this should tell you something). Warner is the only Undrafted QB in recent history that is IMO a franchise QB. Romo could be he has the talent.

I never judge a players talent based on where he was drafted (I think Capt has the potential to be better then Marshall, Johnson better then Brayton, etc). And no of course I am no pro scout but that is my dream job.

[TheRealDeal]

Freeman has a lot of raw talent imo. Moore doesn't. Freeman is on a terrible team, Moore is on a good team. Freeman > Moore imo based on the way they throw the ball, not on INT totals. Freeman has a better arm, and more accuracy imo. Who would I want for this season only? Neither one is going to do much. Who has the biggest upside? Seems clear to me that Freeman will be the man in TB for a long time. Moore? Well let's just say I wish him the best.

You have a very loose definition of the word "good"...talented in some areas

[TheRealDeal]

Good luck in your dream (no sarcasm) it's a tough road but if you love it then its worth it but you should start by not making wildly exaggerated statements like 40-50 yds....if you recall (and you should because you've been following since 2001 and this was in 2007) Moore came in for one play at the end of a game to throw a hail mary which traveled about 70 yds...and more recently this year the pass to Smith was 60...just two off the top of my head

[pantherj]

You have a very loose definition of the word "good"...talented in some areas

Good isn't specific enough. What I mean is that, compared to the Bucs, we're are a good team. We have a good run game, and good defense. The Bucs defense is terrible, and there running game doesn't scare anyone.

[jramsey4]

You are right because where you go in the draft determines how talented you are...that makes sense. Why don't they just make depth charts that way then? So Jarrett is obviously more talented than the other Steve Smith. Jamarcus Russell is obviously more talented than Adrian Peterson. Alex Smith is obviously more talented than Aaron Rodgers...shall I keep going or are you getting the point?

Yes he's been here three years...one of which he missed due to a broken leg. Its not like he has played for those three years, it was his 5th start and basically his 5th week working with the 1's, with a year in between. Bottom line is any young QB we bring in is going to have growing pains and if you are going to complain about a 200 yd 1 td performance and a 3-2 record then no one will be successful enough. Young QBs need time to develop

No but Peyton Manning is obviously better then Jake Delhomme and Matt Ryan is obviously better then Brady Quinn see I can throw out players as well that were drafted higher but had more sucess. I never said that anyway I said that if Moore had more talent or was more productive he would have been drafted higher.

I would like to see where I complained once about his performance. I was merely saying he is no Franchise QB. Then right after I clearly said I he deserves to start as he is the best of what we have.

[raleigh-panther]

You mean like, Rivers, Manning, Flacco, Palmer, Brees, etc etc, the playoff QBs.

Yeah, I want one of those, call me silly, I don't want anymore, Delhommes, Moore's, or McNown's.

I want a QB teams will fear, not laugh at, call me silly.

[TheRealDeal]

You mean like, Rivers, Manning, Flacco, Palmer, Brees, etc etc, the playoff QBs.

Yeah, I want one of those, call me silly, I don't want anymore, Delhommes, Moore's, or McNown's.

I want a QB teams will fear, not laugh at, call me silly.

The point is it's easier said than done, everyone wants a Manning or Brady or Brees but finding that person often takes time and some bumps, not just a high draft grade

Plus...look at the reciever's those guys have (minus Flacco, who isn't exactly a top 6 QB)

Manning had Harrison, Wayne, Clark

Rivers has Gates, VJ, had Chambers, Floyd

Palmer had 85 and whos ya momma and Chris Henry

Brees has a plethora of guys

We have 1 guy and a bunch of others that can't get open or can't get activated on game day