A comparative study: Eagles FO vs Panthers

[Mr. Scot]

Nothing new, Kurb gets mad when gman is honest because he knows my post was dead on. He has to edit it because he is embarrassed by gmans honesty

Really working for that ban, eh?

[Mr. Scot]

The Eagles front office hasn't been static. There has been some flux since Lurie took over (their former GM is now in charge of the Bills).

And it's not all hearts and flowers. Fans complained bitterly for years that the team continually whiffed on drafting and/or signing receivers (remember Freddie Mitchall and James Thrash?)

They've kept the team a contender over a long period of time, but they aren't perfect. "Good, but not quite good enough" has been Philly fans major complaint over the years.

[panthers55]

It was only 2 years ago that everyone was calling for Reid's head. And last year McNabb was benched due to poor play much like Jake this year. And the Eagles haven't ever won a Superbowl either. As for the front office, there have been major complaints about lack of offensive talent particularly at wide receiver and running back outside of Westbrook.

Look at all the controversy with TO.

Philly is far from content with their team and except for the late run last year and relatively good showing this year, there would be more fire Reid threads than there are fire Fox ones right now.

[Johnny Rockets]

The Eagles front office hasn't been static. There has been some flux since Lurie took over (their former GM is now in charge of the Bills).

And it's not all hearts and flowers. Fans complained bitterly for years that the team continually whiffed on drafting and/or signing receivers (remember Freddie Mitchall and James Thrash?)

They've kept the team a contender over a long period of time, but they aren't perfect. "Good, but not quite good enough" has been Philly fans major complaint over the years.

There is a lot of truth in this......if you were to poll each team's fanbase on the approval of their FO then the Eagles would probably finish in the bottom half......and if it were done when Dawkins left for the Broncos they might have been last. That is just Philly though... they just want a Lombardi trophy and until it happens, it won't be good enough.

I for one appreciate their ability to field a team that has been relatively competitive over many so many years. Of course I feel that way right now because we are winning games.

[pstall]

If you're genuinely interested and not just trying to build on you're dumb as hell theory about the fo intentionally tanking seasons then read War withouth Death which is about all the front offices in the NFC east and a nice, quick read.

I'm not interested. I already know. I have looked at the data and trends. I was curious as to OTHERS observations.

Like I stated and restated the other day, I'm not saying tanking is going on. :banghead:

What I am saying though is a sense of urgency/ understanding the need to make moves(wise, talent increase, letting players go before its too late) is a clear distinction between the two front offices.

I stand by my observation that the Panther's FO is lazy compared to the Eagles. That spells a lack of urgency as well as a strong desire to win.

That's my take. I don't give a baboon's rectum if anyone agrees with me or not. That's not my goal in life.

You mentioned in your first thread on some differences. Those are true.

Some others so far have done the same.

I like to hear from OTHER people and not just hear my own self talk or type.

[Sultan33g]

There is a lot of truth in this......if you were to poll each team's fanbase on the approval of their FO then the Eagles would probably finish in the bottom half......and if it were done when Dawkins left for the Broncos they might have been last. That is just Philly though... they just want a Lombardi trophy and until it happens, it won't be good enough.

I for one appreciate their ability to field a team that has been relatively competitive over many so many years. Of course I feel that way right now because we are winning games.

you guys have a history of being frustrated. At the least you have a consistent team in a very difficult division. Your fans do not like mcnabb but watching some of his throws yesterday I would say that I am jealous and have been jealous for some odd years now.

[Johnny Rockets]

I stand by my observation that the Panther's FO is lazy compared to the Eagles. That spells a lack of urgency as well as a strong desire to win.

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Oddly enough, that phrase exactly sums up how many Eagle fans feel about their front office.

[pstall]

It was only 2 years ago that everyone was calling for Reid's head. And last year McNabb was benched due to poor play much like Jake this year. And the Eagles haven't ever won a Superbowl either. As for the front office, there have been major complaints about lack of offensive talent particularly at wide receiver and running back outside of Westbrook.

Look at all the controversy with TO.

Philly is far from content with their team and except for the late run last year and relatively good showing this year, there would be more fire Reid threads than there are fire Fox ones right now.

I can agree with some of this. The Eagles fan see this team as a great movie with a bad ending.

To make the NFC Champ game that often, win double digits that often as well as the playoffs is HARD, VERY HARD to do.

The talent I think is there now at WR. They rolled the dice with TO. Paid off to some degree minus winning the SB.

My God. I can't believe I'm defending the front office of the team I hate the most in ALL sports.

[pstall]

Oddly enough, that phrase exactly sums up how many Eagle fans feel about their front office.

Going after TO is urgent/crazy yet look how close it got you guys.

Letting go of Brian Dawkins. Could you see the Panthers doing that with Minter?

One team is focused on winning. The other wants to do the loyal company thing.

Don't get me wrong. Classy move on the Panthers part. But its all about winning.

I think the Eagles fans are extremely spoiled as well as the bitterness clouding thier view of their team.

[pstall]

i like you pstall but you made a thread with a title of having a comparative study...where is the comparative study? I want to hear your opinion

The comparative study first comes from getting a take on guys mindset of the differences.

It's all in the cap forward and current spending. But the biggest is when and how they(Eagles) go about resigning players or let them go.

[rayzor]

Oddly enough, that phrase exactly sums up how many Eagle fans feel about their front office.

yep. from everything i have read and seen from philly fans for years, this is the feeling.

unless you are a pats fan, you aren't going to be satisfied with what your FO is doing. in the eyes of a homer...nothing is ever good enough. it's easy to point out shortcomings and personnel decisions and say that it clearly shows that they don't have an urgency to win or they aren't doing enough. funny, with the redskins fans, they complain about snyder being too active.

unless you are winning all the time, your fan base is going to be upset. they are going to feel that you just flat out aren't doing what it takes to win. every once in a while you will find someone bring up some half baked theory that is supposed to show that the team isn't really committed to winning.

the truth is, as sad as it seems, every team is committed to winning from an organizational viewpoint. debate that all you want but every team wants to win. it makes life much easier if you do.

the problem isn't a desire or commitment to win, its what they do to try and accomplish this. they look at a much larger picture than you or i do. they have to look at team dynamics, how the contracts all work together, what pieces to keep so there is some stability within the franchise, what pieces to release and the cost of doing that, what pieces to bring in and the cost and ability to fit what is there. it's just a lot of stuff involved.

it just boils down to this..."is it working?"

i'm pretty pragmatic in the way i view things organizationally. if it doesn't work...fix it. if you can't then let's get someone who can. i'll give you money, freedom, and time to accomplish your objective. if you haven't reached your objective within a certain amount of time then i will look to see if you are at least putting yourself in a position to pull it off. if i feel you aren't, then i'll find someone else who i think can and give them the same money, freedom, and time i gave the other one.

fox has had plenty of time, money, and freedom to reach the goal or at least make it look like he can put them in contention year in and year out. the burden is now on hurney...does he look at fox and decide to let fox have more time? does he feel that fox can pull it off given some more time? if the answer is no, then he needs to pull the plug. if he can't make that decision and richardson feels that hurney isn't putting the team in the best position to reach it's objective then richardson need to pull the plug there.

teams around the NFL have to make decisions like that every year. they do that because they are trying to find the best way to reach their goal of winning. a lack of moves doesn't imply a lack of will or desire to win. all it does is show what faith they have in their current personnel to get the job done. what should be judged is how right their decisions to make moves or not make moves are in reaching their goals.