duke robinson not as good as scouts suggested????

[House]

IIRC he does not have the "quick feet" for the T position in the NFL.

Maybe he is having problems learning how to pull.

When they say "quick feet" they do not mean speed, they mean the ability to "chop" your feet and to slide in pass protection without becoming off ballance. This is Duke's biggest issue right now, he tends to allow his body to hang out over his feet in pass protection which makes him easy for a 320+ lb DT to knock off ballance. In college a lot of OG's are able to get away with this because the DT's are not as big, strong, or fast as the pro's are.

This is something that is difficult to teach out of a player. Because it does not feel natural to stand with your feet apart and your body straight over top of them, they just naturaly want to lean out and make contact. He has all of the other tools and he will be a very good OG for us in the long run.

[monstercat]

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth that Fox won't play rookies if they deserve to play? If Duke Robinson was better than Bernadeau, he would be starting at LG right now. Meanwhile, Tyrell Sutton has earned the right to play and he is playing, even though Mike Goodson was here before him and was drafted higher.

[micnificent28]

Why do people keep perpetuating this myth that Fox won't play rookies if they deserve to play? If Duke Robinson was better than Bernadeau, he would be starting at LG right now. Meanwhile, Tyrell Sutton has earned the right to play and he is playing, even though Mike Goodson was here before him and was drafted higher.

i think martin would beg to differ...

[monstercat]

i think martin would beg to differ...

Charly Martin is playing. It seems that you know for a fact that he should be playing more though. Have you seen him practice and know something I don't? I mean, just because the Chargers fans like him and you like him does not prove that he's earned more playing time.

[scpanther22]

Charly Martin is playing. It seems that you know for a fact that he should be playing more though. Have you seen him practice and know something I don't? I mean, just because the Chargers fans like him and you like him does not prove that he's earned more playing time.

I think he is talking about sherrod martin..lol

[rayzor]

I think he is talking about sherrod martin..lol

whoops

[pantherfan49]

He lacks overall maturity and an understanding of the game. It will come with time.

[monstercat]

I think he is talking about sherrod martin..lol

Well, he has played too. Lots of HC's refuse to bench players due to injury and Godfrey played probably his best game when he came back, so I still don't see the need to criticize the move without having inside information or access to practice, meetings, and film sessions. Oh, and Godfrey started as a rookie too, so he and Sherrod Martin are not very good examples if you're trying to prove that Fox won't play rookies.

The bottom line is that Fox has played plenty of rookies since he's been here. Some of them may not have started right away and some of them played due to injuries, but there is no evidence to back up the claim that Fox refuses to play rookies for no good reason.

And once again, I'm not arguing that Fox is the best coach ever, or that he shouldn't be fired, I'm just trying to deal with facts rather than biased opinions and assumptions.

[Peppermint9030]

With the way Fox treats rookies even though sometimes they are apparently far more talented. We need to reserve judgement on Robinson.

And jarrett, martin, goodson, fiammeta, barnidge, and evrett brown.

[micnificent28]

Well, he has played too. Lots of HC's refuse to bench players due to injury and Godfrey played probably his best game when he came back, so I still don't see the need to criticize the move without having inside information or access to practice, meetings, and film sessions. Oh, and Godfrey started as a rookie too, so he and Sherrod Martin are not very good examples if you're trying to prove that Fox won't play rookies.

The bottom line is that Fox has played plenty of rookies since he's been here. Some of them may not have started right away and some of them played due to injuries, but there is no evidence to back up the claim that Fox refuses to play rookies for no good reason.

And once again, I'm not arguing that Fox is the best coach ever, or that he shouldn't be fired, I'm just trying to deal with facts rather than biased opinions and assumptions.

i believe the best man should be on the field. sherrod martin has done more in his 3 back to back games starting than charles did in 2 seasons. martins just more of a ball hawk to be honest and doesnt make me think were beaten when thrown to his side. come on and the reason jarrett is thought of as a bust is because he doesnt have the nerve to unseat one of vets. i just fox doesnt like rookies name another reason we havent drafted a qb since chris winkie and wasnt he like 32....

[CatMan72]

If I remember correctly, he struggled with heat illness in camp - which may have had something to do with him being out of shape, either way I'm sure it didn't make a very good first impression on the coaching staff.

Bottom line is Bernadeau is more ready to play at this point in the eyes of the coaching staff. Doesn't mean Robinson won't get there.

[rayzor]

i believe the best man should be on the field. sherrod martin has done more in his 3 back to back games starting than charles did in 2 seasons. martins just more of a ball hawk to be honest and doesnt make me think were beaten when thrown to his side. come on and the reason jarrett is thought of as a bust is because he doesnt have the nerve to unseat one of vets. i just fox doesnt like rookies name another reason we havent drafted a qb since chris winkie and wasnt he like 32....

i'm not going to pretend i know what you are saying in that last sentence but the insinuation that fox doesn't start rookies is ridiculous. i'm a big fox critic but this one isn't one of the criticisms i have.

i do question his decisions to start certain people and his loyalty to them but he has been more than fair in giving rookies a shot in most positions. if there isn't a starter firmly entrenched at a position, more than likely the rookie is going to be getting the start. gross, wharton, otah, peppers, davis, beason, gamble, godfrey...all these guys were rookies when they started. then there are guys who didn't start but still got a ton of PT like williams, stewart, and marshall. there are plenty more examples, a lot more than there are for guys who didn't get starting gigs as rookies. what's he supposed to do, give every rookie a starting gig? there are only so many to go around. the truth is, the panthers are among the best in the league for promoting from within. most prominent roles on this team, starting or otherwise, are performed by people who began their NFL career as a panther.

[rayzor]

oh....and jarrett doesn't have a starting gig because he did nothing but slack off his rookie year. he spent his 2nd year battling with hackett for a job on the panthers in '09 (which he won, btw. notice that hackett isn't around any more?) no way was he going to unseat moose or smith last year. those two were unquestionably the best WRs on the team. this year he has his chance to show that he is worthy of a starting gig. the problems he has had making his case hasn't been all on him, it has more to do with the passing game as a whole sucking it up. still, moose has lost a couple steps since last year. with moore starting, jarrett has a chance to show what he can do.

[magnus]

Robinson was a first round talent who fell to the fifth because of conditioning and attitude. Now people are shocked he hasn't magically snapped in line and dominated? He looked solid in preseason, he has talent. Not unlike Deangelo Williams (who didn't have the concerns coming out), he probably has to show he's willing to work hard enough for a solid shot.

In the meantime, Bernadeau was able to get time because he worked hard, has versatility, and put a year's worth of hard work in.