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Panthers QB Moore still kicking himself over conservative play call Sunday

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rayzor Grand Master

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his decision wasn't a bad one and it wasn't the wrong one. it was the safe one. considering how green he is and how things have gone for the passing game this year, it's understandable. he didn't want to blow a lead by giving them an opportunity for a pick 6. he decided to be cautious. i wish jake had done that more.

once moore gets more experience and does learn to trust himself and the receivers on the team, those calls will be less and less. the way things had gone that game, i think he would have been fine passing it. i trust him more than jake, for sure. i'm not going to fault him for wanting to protect the lead in that instance, though.

in the future i hope he does take more risks, though. i just want him to be comfortable and confident in his ability to make it happen. that comes with experience in the game (not practice). i'm just glad he's getting it.

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Oh, no doubt they defenses know and have that figured out.....and are absoutely wanting them to check to the pass. B/c even if the WR are open (which is rare) odds have favored Jake making a mistake.

I think Moore has watched Jake giveway points and opportunities all year.....plus, he has a coach that appears to still want Jake in.....and he is trying to play it too safe and smart (which Moore I guess admitted) and trying to get to play one more game.

Thats exactly what happened. Fox not putting Delhomme on IR basically told Moore that he has no faith in him and if give the option he would not be starting. As many have said before Fox needs to back someone else besides Delhomme because he has had way more chances then he needed to prove he was done.

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Now if Fox could just figure out that you can't play scared we'd be all set, LOL

Moore learned something after one playcall that Fox hasn't learned in 7.5 years.

But after reading this, how do you know when Fox/Davidson decided to run the ball or if/when the QB did? It sure sounds like the QB almost always has the option to run or throw on any given play in this offense. I'm not trying to defend Fox here, because I do believe it's time for a change, but it seems like fans are asuming a lot of things about his coaching staff that may or may not be true. Also, Fox has been burned royally when he has tried to go for it on 4th and short this year, so he has been aggressive at times and it just plain didn't work.

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It sure sounds like the QB almost always has the option to run or throw on any given play in this offense.

There's no way that is true. Some plays are certainly setup so you can have two options (that way it is easy to change). But most plays are probably not "optional", unless Moore wants to be sitting on the sidelines watching.

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But after reading this, how do you know when Fox/Davidson decided to run the ball or if/when the QB did? It sure sounds like the QB almost always has the option to run or throw on any given play in this offense. I'm not trying to defend Fox here, because I do believe it's time for a change, but it seems like fans are asuming a lot of things about his coaching staff that may or may not be true. Also, Fox has been burned royally when he has tried to go for it on 4th and short this year, so he has been aggressive at times and it just plain didn't work.

does anyone else think the plays where Jake/Matt points to their eyes with both hands is the option to pass or run play....they then have another tell as to whether or not it is the pass or run variation of the playcall?

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Well, they may not have the option on every single play, but it happens enough that you can't just automatically assume that every 3rd down draw play (which every team in the league runs, BTW) was the coach's call. Delhomme has pointed out that he had the run/pass option most of the time in Henning's offense as well, so this is nothing new.

The point is that a lot of people automatically blame Fox 100% of the time when the play calling is conservative, without even considering what the defense was doing or whether the QB had an option or not.

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Well, they may not have the option on every single play, but it happens enough that you can't just automatically assume that every 3rd down draw play (which every team in the league runs, BTW) was the coach's call. Delhomme has pointed out that he had the run/pass option most of the time in Henning's offense as well, so this is nothing new.

The point is that a lot of people automatically blame Fox 100% of the time when the play calling is conservative, without even considering what the defense was doing or whether the QB had an option or not.

well, the QB isn't suppose to call run or pass just b/c he feels like it. Moore from my understanding was just told if you see this coverage call the run and this one to call the pass. The coverage was there for the pass and he opted to do the run.

I am pretty sure Jake would opt for what the coverage showed and why there is so much talk about how teams have been baiting him to throw.

I think 98% of the conservative play is Fox. Nothing is 100%. Moore's one play where he opted for the run was an example of that small percentage of a QB being conservative.

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well, the QB isn't suppose to call run or pass just b/c he feels like it. Moore from my understanding was just told if you see this coverage call the run and this one to call the pass. The coverage was there for the pass and he opted to do the run.

I am pretty sure Jake would opt for what the coverage showed and why there is so much talk about how teams have been baiting him to throw.

I think 98% of the conservative play is Fox. Nothing is 100%. Moore's one play where he opted for the run was an example of that small percentage of a QB being conservative.

So if 98% of the conservative play calling is Fox, then why did Henning call more passes in his last season here than he did the year before when the Panthers were winning, and why did Fox fire him after that particular season? Could it be that some of these assumptions about Fox are wrong, and that he actually lets his coordinators call the game the way they see fit until there is a decision to be made on 4th down? It certainly doesn't look like Fox is micro managing Ron Meeks like so many Panthers fans predicted, and if he was micro managing Henning in 06 like everybody claimed, then why did he completely abandon the run when he had 4th quarter leads in about 10 games that year? That goes against everything Fox believes in.

Once again though, I do believe it's time for a change at HC, but that doesn't mean that every single criticism of John Fox is warranted or that he doesn't know his football. If you're gonna criticize Fox on his offense, you should criticize him for hiring Davidson and sticking with Delhomme for a couple of games too long.

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