Anybody else think we are putting to much on Bryce's plate?

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Don't think that's telling the whole story.

Here's an analysis from a Philly reporter talking to Sanders himself around his second year.

Why Miles Sanders' receiving yards are down

You also have to account for other things, like the fact that he was catching passes from either a declining Carson Wentz or a still developing Jalen Hurts. Then last year the Eagles went run heavy in their offense.

Context matters...

I mean, that is an article from early in his second season.  If context matters, you can't just reference the take a month into his sophomore season.

He went on that season to lead all RBs in dropped passes and highest drop rate.   You can find articles with Duce and everyone talking about his bad routes, bad hands, etc that extend well past a month into year 2.   Problems continued the next year in camp.   Seasons after.  Lack of reliability.  And Philly continued to insert more reliable options into passing downs year after year. 

Miles Sanders is not a 3 down RB for a team starting a rookie QB IMO.   We need to add a RB to our backfield. 

I mean, you can hope he improves.  I do too.  But the fact is, he hasn't been a good pass catcher in Philly.  They didn't view it that way.  And we don't view Hubbard as that.  So why wouldn't we add a RB that actually has proven to be able to be good at what we know we will need to be a big part of our O.  Instead of just hoping Miles turns into rookie Miles just because we want/need that. 

[Pup McBarky]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Miles Sanders is not a 3 down RB for a team starting a rookie QB IMO.   We need to add a RB to our backfield. 

This is my concern. His contract isn't the problem if he turns out to be what we need. If not, however, well, at least we have an easy out after next year, apparently (I think).

[OneBadCat]

I think Bryce will handle it just fine. Seems like QBs coming out now are more prepared for the NFL than they used to be. 

[Mr. Scot]

58 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, that is an article from early in his second season.  If context matters, you can't just reference the take a month into his sophomore season.

He went on that season to lead all RBs in dropped passes and highest drop rate.   You can find articles with Duce and everyone talking about his bad routes, bad hands, etc that extend well past a month into year 2.   Problems continued the next year in camp.   Seasons after.  Lack of reliability.  And Philly continued to insert more reliable options into passing downs year after year. 

Miles Sanders is not a 3 down RB for a team starting a rookie QB IMO.   We need to add a RB to our backfield. 

I mean, you can hope he improves.  I do too.  But the fact is, he hasn't been a good pass catcher in Philly.  They didn't view it that way.  And we don't view Hubbard as that.  So why wouldn't we add a RB that actually has proven to be able to be good at what we know we will need to be a big part of our O.  Instead of just hoping Miles turns into rookie Miles just because we want/need that. 

The same Duce Staley that helped recommend we sign him this year?

Care to link any of the articles you're talking about?

Edited July 25, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The same Duce Staley that helped recommend we sign him this year?

I mean, most players aren't CMC.  Coaches still want and need players that aren't that.  That's how you build teams.   

Saying Miles Sanders is a solid runner and hasn't been a good receiving RB isn't calling Miles Sanders trash that shouldn't be on the team. 

I think we should round out our backfield given the recent history of Miles and Chubba.  Everything should be about Bryce Young.  And the past several years would at least say we don't have as well rounded of a group as we should given how quick we should be getting the ball out.  I don't view that as wild.

I mean, all it takes is a quick google and you can find tons of reporting in Philly about Sanders and his struggles post rookie season in the pass game.  And how it opened the door for others to come in on passing downs.  Duce, head coach, and even Sanders himself acknowledging others were just better. 

[Gerry Green]

45 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, most players aren't CMC.  Coaches still want and need players that aren't that.  That's how you build teams.   

Saying Miles Sanders is a solid runner and hasn't been a good receiving RB isn't calling Miles Sanders trash that shouldn't be on the team. 

I think we should round out our backfield given the recent history of Miles and Chubba.  Everything should be about Bryce Young.  And the past several years would at least say we don't have as well rounded of a group as we should given how quick we should be getting the ball out.  I don't view that as wild.

I mean, all it takes is a quick google and you can find tons of reporting in Philly about Sanders and his struggles post rookie season in the pass game.  And how it opened the door for others to come in on passing downs.  Duce, head coach, and even Sanders himself acknowledging others were just better. 

 

You do this all the time. You state something, then when called on it, you just tell them to go looking. If you are using something, show your work.

 

I mean, you are one of the most negative Huddlerz out there. The least you can do is actually show what you are talking about. Or do you just expect us to take what you say on faith?

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

 

You do this all the time. You state something, then when called on it, you just tell them to go looking. If you are using something, show your work.

 

what's in dispute you want evidence of?  

that he lead the NFL in drops and drop % by NFL RBs in 2020?  Tied w/ Zeke in drops but a much higher drop %? 

that Duce talked about his hands?  That the coaches talked about the routes and balls he struggled with after NFL defenses got a look at him following his rookie year? 

that he continued to struggle the next year in camp as a pass catcher and wasn't reliable in pass situations going forward into the following season? 

that Eagles clearly turned to other RBs in clear passing scenarios as his career in Philly progressed? 

that Miles was open about how others just flat out had better hands and were more natural catchers and why they made sense being inserted over him? 

Miles Sanders is a good runner.  Glad to have him.  That's what we had to add.  My argument is only now we need to a RB to the backfield that excels as a pass catcher and in pass pro. Given what we are in 2023.   Because to date, that has not been Sanders or Hubbard.  CMC is gone.   And developing and protecting Bryce Young should be priority #1.  That's what I care about.  Bryce Young.  Not overstating what a FA RB add has been.   Add a RB and I got zero beef w/ the backfield.   But it's incomplete. 

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean, all it takes is a quick google and you can find tons of reporting in Philly about Sanders and his struggles post rookie season in the pass game.  And how it opened the door for others to come in on passing downs.  Duce, head coach, and even Sanders himself acknowledging others were just better. 

I did, because that's exactly the response I was expecting.

Didn't find a thing...

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I did, because that's exactly the response I was expecting.

Didn't find a thing...

Sanders is the league leader among running backs in dropped passes with 8 on the season.

Miles Sanders says he hasn’t been the best in the passing game (usatoday.com)

“He’ll be the first to tell you, is his hands,” said Staley. “Miles will tell you we go over that. We throw balls, we catch a lot of balls, we talk it through, and we watch every route. We’re constantly trying to get better. But he’ll be the first to tell you that he has to tighten his hands up.”

Miles Sanders says he hasn’t been the best in the passing game (usatoday.com)

According to Eliot Shorr-Parks, Philadelphia Eagles running back Miles Sanders has struggled with ball security and drops during training camp.

'Ball security and drops an issue' for Miles Sanders during Philadelphia's camp (numberfire.com)

Is Kenny Gainwell replacing Miles Sanders as Eagles’ lead running back? – NBC Sports Philadelphia

Even Sanders has said Gainwell is a more natural pass catcher than he is. But it’s hard to ignore the sense that the Eagles feel that Gainwell, with his speed, elusiveness and receiving ability, is just a better fit for this offense than Sanders, who’s a holdover from the Doug Pederson days.

 

I mean, talk to a Philly fan.  Not sure why people don't want more diversity the backfield given we are starting a rookie QB who we don't want hit.   

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

36 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sanders is the league leader among running backs in dropped passes with 8 on the season.

Miles Sanders says he hasn’t been the best in the passing game (usatoday.com)

“He’ll be the first to tell you, is his hands,” said Staley. “Miles will tell you we go over that. We throw balls, we catch a lot of balls, we talk it through, and we watch every route. We’re constantly trying to get better. But he’ll be the first to tell you that he has to tighten his hands up.”

Miles Sanders says he hasn’t been the best in the passing game (usatoday.com)

According to Eliot Shorr-Parks, Philadelphia Eagles running back Miles Sanders has struggled with ball security and drops during training camp.

'Ball security and drops an issue' for Miles Sanders during Philadelphia's camp (numberfire.com)

Is Kenny Gainwell replacing Miles Sanders as Eagles’ lead running back? – NBC Sports Philadelphia

Even Sanders has said Gainwell is a more natural pass catcher than he is. But it’s hard to ignore the sense that the Eagles feel that Gainwell, with his speed, elusiveness and receiving ability, is just a better fit for this offense than Sanders, who’s a holdover from the Doug Pederson days.

I mean, talk to a Philly fan.  Not sure why people don't want more diversity the backfield given we are starting a rookie QB who we don't want hit.   

Two of your links quote the same article from December 2020, an article that starts with this paragraph...

Miles Sanders is one of the best young running backs in the NFL and yet the Eagles have underutilized the former Penn State star tremendously.

...and includes only Sanders analysis on himself.

Your third link is all based on a tweet from the 2021 training camp, but talks mostly about 2020.

The fourth is pure speculation from a reporter in early 2021 something that didn't end up happening.

I'd say you're cherry picking to fit your narrative.

Of course, you've also previously confessed that you like stirring sh-t up, so this possibly falls into that category as well.

Edited July 25, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[CRA]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Two of your links quote the same article from December 2020, an article that starts with this paragraph...

Miles Sanders is one of the best young running backs in the NFL and yet the Eagles have underutilized the former Penn State star tremendously.

...and includes only Sanders analysis on himself.

Your third link is all based on a tweet from the 2021 training camp, but talks mostly about 2020.

The fourth is pure speculation from a reporter in early 2021 something that didn't end up happening.

I'd say you're cherry picking to fit your narrative.

Of course, you've also previously confessed that you like stirring sh-t up, so this possibly falls into that category as well.

Sanders had clear cut issues in 2020 and was bad in the pass game. It is well documented.  That’s not debatable.

They carried over into 2021 training camp.  Well documented.  Not really debatable. 

2021 the Eagles began giving passing down work to other RBs that are better suited for the job.  Even Miles Sanders himself acknowledged the skill differences and work going away from him. 

Same documented struggles in 2022 camp in the passing game.  Eagles faded him in passing downs again that season.  Big time in the postseason. 

You are ignoring to fit your narrative.  

Miles Sanders is a rusher.  That’s what he has been.  That’s what a really good team found him to be. That’s who we signed. 

again, we need to add to our committee.  Miles Sanders doesn’t need to be treated as the do everything RB.  He wasn’t that in Philly.  Shouldn’t be here.   Bryce Young should be the focus.  And he needs a quality passing down RB in the mix.  This hot take is about as wild as calling Matt Rhule trash about this same time last year. 

I don’t intentionally stir poo up.  But I’m going to talk about Matt Rhule or Miles Sanders or whoever the same no matter the uniform if the Falcons or the Panthers suddenly added them to the roster. I’ve never been part of the  preseason hype squad where only the good daydream is acceptable talk. 

In recent years, no one consider Sanders or Hubbard good passing down RBs.  That’s not controversial.  Hope both turn into them.  But I’d rather add to the committee because Bryce Young and his development is more important.  

I’ve not knocked Sanders the runner.  Glad he is here.   That’s what he did well in Philly.   

[Mr. Scot]

37 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sanders had clear cut issues in 2020 and was bad in the pass game. It is well documented.  That’s not debatable.

They carried over into 2021 training camp.  Well documented.  Not really debatable. 

2021 the Eagles began giving passing down work to other RBs that are better suited for the job.  Even Miles Sanders himself acknowledged the skill differences and work going away from him. 

Same documented struggles in 2022 camp in the passing game.  Eagles faded him in passing downs again that season.  Big time in the postseason. 

You are ignoring to fit your narrative.  

Miles Sanders is a rusher.  That’s what he has been.  That’s what a really good team found him to be. That’s who we signed. 

again, we need to add to our committee.  Miles Sanders doesn’t need to be treated as the do everything RB.  He wasn’t that in Philly.  Shouldn’t be here.   Bryce Young should be the focus.  And he needs a quality passing down RB in the mix.  This hot take is about as wild as calling Matt Rhule trash about this same time last year. 

I don’t intentionally stir poo up.  But I’m going to talk about Matt Rhule or Miles Sanders or whoever the same no matter the uniform if the Falcons or the Panthers suddenly added them to the roster. I’ve never been part of the  preseason hype squad where only the good daydream is acceptable talk. 

In recent years, no one consider Sanders or Hubbard good passing down RBs.  That’s not controversial.  Hope both turn into them.  But I’d rather add to the committee because Bryce Young and his development is more important.  

I’ve not knocked Sanders the runner.  Glad he is here.   That’s what he did well in Philly.   

You've been concentrating on 2020 and 21, only now mentioning 2022 and largely dismissing 2019.

Here's an article about last season...

Miles Sanders might be the most-improved player on the Eagles roster in 2022

Excerpts:

It feels like only yesterday that Miles Sanders was hearing his name in trade talks on a near-weekly basis. The Penn State product is enjoying a breakout season almost as much as fans are enjoying watching it.

Miles Sanders is silencing his critics

I’ve always been very critical of Miles Sanders. His ability was always visible, even if it was in flashes. But that was part of the problem. For every 80-yard run he’d break off, there would be countless plays where he’d just sprint into a blocker, dance with indecision and miss a hole completely, or end up trying to bounce a run outside and end up being tackled for a loss. Not to mention his pass-blocking woes.

...

2022 sees a very different Miles Sanders hitting the hole. A man who is unafraid of contact and will happily run through defenders instead of trying to shimmy around them. As a result, we’re seeing someone who’s not only on pace for a career year, but who is being trusted far more with the rock in his hands as a result.

Miles Sanders now has 656 yards and a career-high 6 touchdowns on the season. There are still 9 games left on the 2022 calendar.

...

Sanders continues to be one of the most valuable offensive assets on this team. His ability to burst through the hole and move the chains is so important to an offense that can hurt a defense in so many ways. It’s all well and good locking in on Jalen Hurts to stop QB rush on an RPO, but it leaves an opportunity for Sanders to slash through. And because he’s doing it so violently, it means he’s also now a viable option at the goal line, something that was never really feasible before due to his poor decision making.

______________________________

If you want more analysis, here's some via Pro Football Network from a guy whose name you might recognize...

Miles Sanders 2022 success should be measured beyond his numbers

Excerpts:

Miles Sanders is a big play waiting to happen. While his usage in Philadelphia has been inconsistent — at best — during his three-year career, the Eagles’ top running back has another opportunity to prove that he can be a dynamic do-it-all back this upcoming season.

That said, Sanders’ success can’t be measured or compared to most of his peers because of how the Eagles use their running backs. Sanders, 25, is set to lead a rotation that’ll be complemented by intriguing dual-threat playmaker Kenny Gainwell and reliable ground-and-pound pinball Boston Scott.

Sanders wants to be fed. Unfortunately for him, with the way the Eagles use their backfield, he is going to be forced to capitalize on the limited touches he’s grown accustomed to.

...

Seeing as Kaye has covered Sanders before, I'll be interested to see what he says now.

[ladypanther]

Just listened to Fitt's presser.  He thinks Sanders will be catching passes...said it several times. Sounds like one of the reasons they wanted him.

We'll just have to see how it plays out.

Edited July 25, 2023 by ladypanther

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You've been concentrating on 2020 and 21, only now mentioning 2022 and largely dismissing 2019.

Here's an article about last season...

Miles Sanders might be the most-improved player on the Eagles roster in 2022

Excerpts:

It feels like only yesterday that Miles Sanders was hearing his name in trade talks on a near-weekly basis. The Penn State product is enjoying a breakout season almost as much as fans are enjoying watching it.

Miles Sanders is silencing his critics

I’ve always been very critical of Miles Sanders. His ability was always visible, even if it was in flashes. But that was part of the problem. For every 80-yard run he’d break off, there would be countless plays where he’d just sprint into a blocker, dance with indecision and miss a hole completely, or end up trying to bounce a run outside and end up being tackled for a loss. Not to mention his pass-blocking woes.

...

2022 sees a very different Miles Sanders hitting the hole. A man who is unafraid of contact and will happily run through defenders instead of trying to shimmy around them. As a result, we’re seeing someone who’s not only on pace for a career year, but who is being trusted far more with the rock in his hands as a result.

Miles Sanders now has 656 yards and a career-high 6 touchdowns on the season. There are still 9 games left on the 2022 calendar.

...

Sanders continues to be one of the most valuable offensive assets on this team. His ability to burst through the hole and move the chains is so important to an offense that can hurt a defense in so many ways. It’s all well and good locking in on Jalen Hurts to stop QB rush on an RPO, but it leaves an opportunity for Sanders to slash through. And because he’s doing it so violently, it means he’s also now a viable option at the goal line, something that was never really feasible before due to his poor decision making.

______________________________

If you want more analysis, here's some via Pro Football Network from a guy whose name you might recognize...

Miles Sanders 2022 success should be measured beyond his numbers

Excerpts:

Miles Sanders is a big play waiting to happen. While his usage in Philadelphia has been inconsistent — at best — during his three-year career, the Eagles’ top running back has another opportunity to prove that he can be a dynamic do-it-all back this upcoming season.

That said, Sanders’ success can’t be measured or compared to most of his peers because of how the Eagles use their running backs. Sanders, 25, is set to lead a rotation that’ll be complemented by intriguing dual-threat playmaker Kenny Gainwell and reliable ground-and-pound pinball Boston Scott.

Sanders wants to be fed. Unfortunately for him, with the way the Eagles use their backfield, he is going to be forced to capitalize on the limited touches he’s grown accustomed to.

...

Seeing as Kaye has covered Sanders before, I'll be interested to see what he says now.

2022+2021+2020 outweigh 2019.  After a promising rookie season he disappointed as a pass catcher and the Eagles phased him out of that role.  That’s the Sanders story in Philly. 

and now you somehow quote someone praising his 2022 rushing ability as some type of argument that he is a good pass catching RB? Wut???! I’ve praised his rushing ability in this convo.  That’s all that first bit you shared did. We talking passing down help for Young. 

Second chunk.  Yeah, the Eagles had a committee.  And they inserted RBs into situations that played to their strengths.  Eagles are a good team.  Which was rushing for Miles.  It’s why it talks about COMPLIMENTING Miles with an exciting dual threat RB. 

again last 3 years, no one would define Sanders and Hubbard as passing down RBs.   We got a rookie QB that is going to need to get it out quick.  That’s not Sanders’ natural gig and we have seen that the last several years.  We should round out the backfield by getting someone proven to be good in pass pro and receiving.   Bryce Young’s development matters most.  Get someone that actual has proven they can do the job well.   

2023 should be about Bryce Young.  Not avoiding an easy add and betting Miles can somehow be someone the Eagles said he wasn’t.