Anybody else think we are putting to much on Bryce's plate?

[CamWhoaaCam]

32 minutes ago, DeeJay said:

WERE WINNING SUPER BOWLS!!!!

The QB drought is finally over!

[DennisM1]

3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Cam had his best year with arguably his worse WR group. A goal of the coach is for the team to play better than expected with the overall product being better than the mere sum of the parts. So Thielen might not be a legitimate number 1 but on third down he is money and moves the chains. He has his role like Proehl did in 2003.  That same year we had a 3rd year guy who had shown flashes mainly on special teams and gadget plays but not really stood out as a receiver make a huge push and was a main reason we went to the postseason that year. Maybe Marshall is that guy for us. But the big X factor is coaching which has been estimated to account for almost 30% of a teams' success.  I don't see us getting outcoached very often this season.

Cam always was the HEAD of the best rushing attack in the NFL for 5 straight years.. Bryce won't be doing that so can't compare situations and Marshall is in year what now 3? And hasn't surpassed 550? I can't rely on him at ALL

[DennisM1]

2 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

 

2008 Ravens won 2 playoff games with rookie Flacco and rookie coach Harbough.

2008 Falcons made playoffs with rookie Matt Ryan and rookie HC Mike Smith

2009 Jets win 2 playoff games with rookies Mark Sanchez and Rex Ryan.

2012 Colts made playoffs with Rookies Luck and Pagano

 

That's 25% of the time in the last 15 years. Seems rather realistic to me.

 

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None of these is in the last decade and Flacco was drafted 18th ovr.. indicating that they had a pretty good team already that's why I said rookie QB taken in the top 10

[Tr3ach]

This entire idea hinges on the fact that anyone from the Panthers organization are going to tell the media anything with substance that shows their hand or gives away their long term plans.  Fans take too much stock in what they tell the media.

[mrcompletely11]

17 minutes ago, DennisM1 said:

None of these is in the last decade and Flacco was drafted 18th ovr.. indicating that they had a pretty good team already that's why I said rookie QB taken in the top 10

In 2008 the ravens and the falcons had a top 5 rushing attack.  In 2009 the jets had the #1 rushing attack. 
 

These things matter.  Now if you tell me we could have a top 5 running game I would be more inclined to think we have a shot.   But I seriously doubt a rookie qb can put us on his back and either win the division or win a wild card.  But the history and stats show it’s an abnormally.    
 

 

edit to say the jets had the best defense as well and the ravens were top 5 in 2008

Edited July 22, 2023 by mrcompletely11

[Gerry Green]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

In 2008 the ravens and the falcons had a top 5 rushing attack.  In 2009 the jets had the #1 rushing attack. 
 

These things matter.  Now if you tell me we could have a top 5 running game I would be more inclined to think we have a shot.   But I seriously doubt a rookie qb can put us on his back and either win the division or win a wild card.  But the history and stats show it’s an abnormally.    

 

First you say it hasn't worked in the Modern Era, now you are adding running teams. Who cares? 

 

All that matters is that teams with Rookie QB and 1st year Head Coaches can make the Playoffs. Isn't that the goal? Isn't that what we all want? Why does that seem to scare ppl?

 

This is the time of year to be optimistic. Most fans couldn't care less about what the odds are. They are just excited for what's coming down the pike. And just nod and smile at the Temper your Expectations crowd.

 

 

[CamWhoaaCam]

26 minutes ago, DennisM1 said:

None of these is in the last decade and Flacco was drafted 18th ovr.. indicating that they had a pretty good team already that's why I said rookie QB taken in the top 10

A rookie QB is a rookie no matter where they were drafted.

 

You can't move the goalpost. Brock Purdy led a team to the NFC Championship as a rookie. 

 

It's rare, but possible. Like I said playing in a weak division with a relatively easy schedule I like our chances of making the playoffs this year.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

First you say it hasn't worked in the Modern Era, now you are adding running teams. Who cares? 

 

All that matters is that teams with Rookie QB and 1st year Head Coaches can make the Playoffs. Isn't that the goal? Isn't that what we all want? Why does that seem to scare ppl?

 

This is the time of year to be optimistic. Most fans couldn't care less about what the odds are. They are just excited for what's coming down the pike. And just nod and smile at the Temper your Expectations crowd.

 

 

2008-9 nfl was a totally different animal then it is now.   And it doesn’t matter what the goal is or optimism it’s just simple facts that the odds are astronomical that a rookie qb can get us in the playoffs in his first year.  People need to temper expectations.   And like I said once we work on the defense next off season I think 2024 is the year to expect big things.  

[Krovvy]

Sink or swim. I want to know if Bryce is the guy by the time the Panthers have another first round pick.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Sink or swim. I want to know if Bryce is the guy by the time the Panthers have another first round pick.

He either is or we are starting from scratch again in 3-4 years.  So I am pouring one out to the football goods that this works.  

[t96]

Nah, OL has had considerable investment which is the #1 thing that makes a QBs job easier, much more important than pass catchers. We have a good mix of young receivers with potential and vets, more talent at the skill positions can come in time. Also paid up for the top RB on the market to help take pressure of Bryce. I think he's in a very good position as a rookie, better than any other #1 overall pick.

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, DennisM1 said:

Cam always was the HEAD of the best rushing attack in the NFL for 5 straight years.. Bryce won't be doing that so can't compare situations and Marshall is in year what now 3? And hasn't surpassed 550? I can't rely on him at ALL

And Bryce can throw much better than Cam so they are both very different. But they were both number 1 picks and both had offenses built around them. And the fact that Marshall played so much better once Rhule was gone suggests he is going to have a break out season this year.

[pantherclaw]

Thank God for the negativity. 

Without it, how could we ever be unbiased. 

[top dawg]

Bryce likes to eat football. That's his thing.

As for WRs, he not only has Mingo, but TMJ as well. Moreover, I wouldn't discount Tremble just yet. Along with the other guys, he should have enough to quell his appetite for all things football his rookie year (and hopefully beyond).

Edited July 23, 2023 by top dawg