Something to consider for those not wanting a retread

[pstall]

That's kinda where I'm going with this Mr.Scot.

So who has been close that could be a smart and viable rehire for Carolina?

Andy Reid is locked away.

Norv Turner? Hmm. Nahh.

Wisenhut. Just getting started in Arizona.

Lovie Smith?

Two guys that fit the description to a T and they may switch teams one day. Jeff Fisher..and the lovable John Fox.

WOW

[Urrymonster]

That's kinda where I'm going with this Mr.Scot.

So who has been close that could be a smart and viable rehire for Carolina?

Andy Reid is locked away.

Norv Turner? Hmm. Nahh.

Wisenhut. Just getting started in Arizona.

Lovie Smith?

Two guys that fit the description to a T and they may switch teams one day. Jeff Fisher..and the lovable John Fox.

WOW

Do not just look at the current HCs, look at the coordinators who have once been HCs.

[Kevin Greene]

It has as much validity as pointing out that seven of ten were won by retreads.

The teams that have had success with retread coaches have been the ones who hired guys that have been close to the mountaintop, but haven't made it. Teams that have hired past Super Bowl winners have found varying degrees of success, but have never found Super Bowl victory.

Can you dispute the truth of those statements?

You don't want Tom Brady because becuase a QB hasn't won a SB with different teams?

I have no problem with the facts, just how you apply them.

[Kevin Greene]

That's kinda where I'm going with this Mr.Scot.

So who has been close that could be a smart and viable rehire for Carolina?

Andy Reid is locked away.

Norv Turner? Hmm. Nahh.

Wisenhut. Just getting started in Arizona.

Lovie Smith?

Two guys that fit the description to a T and they may switch teams one day. Jeff Fisher..and the lovable John Fox.

WOW

In 14 years in Tennessee Fisher has won a playoff game in 3 different seasons. 11 years, no playoff wins.

Let's hire him, he's due!

[Brooklyn Bully]

A ridiculous statistic from a miniscule sample to make a HC hiring decision on.

This would be like saying no starting QB has ever won a Super Bowl with a second team. So we don't want Tom Brady or Peyton Manning under any circumstances! Brilliant logic.

This. Silly superstitious people. It also goes to show you that if I were a coach and won a Super Bowl, there's no way IN HELL I'd ever leave that team. I'd never win the trophy again!

[thefuzz]

Personally, I am not looking for who has or has not won Super Bowls, but whom has taken a team to the playoffs on a consistent basis.

That is what we should be hiring for.

If you get a chance to go to the dance every/almost every season, at some point you will win it. That is my philosophy, and should be the one that Big Cat uses to choose the next Head Coach for the Panthers.

It is every owners dream to win the Super Bowl, but it is an absolute must for them to win games every year, and sell tons of nachos and hot dogs. Playoff teams sell more jerseys, beer, seats, corporate boxes, and commercials....and sometimes they win the big one.

Just sayin.

[Davidson Deac II]

Bingo. None of them had already won a Super Bowl. Only one had even been to it (Vermeil) and that was years before. Gruden came close.

No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with a second team after winning it before. A few have made it back, but no winners. Others (George Seifert, Jimmy Johnson, and even Joe Gibbs for example) haven't even sniffed it.

I'm not ready to bet that we'll be the first to break that trend.

Technically, Joe Gibbs while he was on his second go with the skins, wasn't on a second team. But otherwise, I agree with you.

[Brooklyn Bully]

Another thing...there have been 43 Super Bowls. Of those 43 winning coaches, 12 have won multiple rings. That leaves 31 winners. Of those 31, how many went on to coach another team after they won the trophy? I bet that's a pretty low number. I'm not about to research it though.

I'm not saying I want Cower here, but to bring up the, "no coach has won another ring with another team" stat is just silly.

[Davidson Deac II]

Personally, I am not looking for who has or has not won Super Bowls, but whom has taken a team to the playoffs on a consistent basis.

That is what we should be hiring for.

If you get a chance to go to the dance every/almost every season, at some point you will win it. That is my philosophy, and should be the one that Big Cat uses to choose the next Head Coach for the Panthers.

It is every owners dream to win the Super Bowl, but it is an absolute must for them to win games every year, and sell tons of nachos and hot dogs. Playoff teams sell more jerseys, beer, seats, corporate boxes, and commercials....and sometimes they win the big one.

Just sayin.

So basically, you want to hire Marty Schottenheimer.

Maybe we should wait till Andy Reid gets fired in Philly.

[thefuzz]

So basically, you want to hire Marty Schottenheimer.

Maybe we should wait till Andy Reid gets fired in Philly.

Ummm no. Look for coaches that take their teams to the playoffs year in and year out, and get back to me.

Yes Marty did that, as does Turner, Reid, Cowher, Dungy, etc.....some would say Shanny...but I don't agree with that.

[grateflday]

I think sometimes whether you bring in a retread vs a new face depends on the players and team you currently have. I think with this current roster a "retread" like Shannahan, Holmgren, Cowher, Schottenheimer would be able to have a greater impact than some new guy that has never HC before. Plus we all talk about this new guy that really well and lets look for the next one of those, BUT just like you all keep saying how hard it is for a "retread" to get back to the superbowl, how many "new" guys fail?? Its ALOT.

I would rather, right now with the Panthers, take the chance on its hard to get back to the Superbowl and win, then the alternative.

[mountainpantherfan]

Personally, I am not looking for who has or has not won Super Bowls, but whom has taken a team to the playoffs on a consistent basis.

That is what we should be hiring for.

If you get a chance to go to the dance every/almost every season, at some point you will win it. That is my philosophy, and should be the one that Big Cat uses to choose the next Head Coach for the Panthers.

It is every owners dream to win the Super Bowl, but it is an absolute must for them to win games every year, and sell tons of nachos and hot dogs. Playoff teams sell more jerseys, beer, seats, corporate boxes, and commercials....and sometimes they win the big one.

Just sayin.

You nailed it.

To me, I hope Richardson and Morrison go into to this, if they do fire Fox and Hurney, with a very open mindset and really look for the best option out there. Not just have your #1 guy and hope he says yes. As a manager and supervisor who has hired many people over the years I have learned the hard way that the people that "look" the part don't always deliever and the ones that you normally wouldn't give a chance suprise you more than anyone.

[pstall]

Holmgren's Packers won the 1996 Super Bowl

That was his FIRST team. Seattle he went but lost.

[Snake]

Bingo. None of them had already won a Super Bowl. Only one had even been to it (Vermeil) and that was years before. Gruden came close.

No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with a second team after winning it before. A few have made it back, but no winners. Others (George Seifert, Jimmy Johnson, and even Joe Gibbs for example) haven't even sniffed it.

I'm not ready to bet that we'll be the first to break that trend.

I think every situation is different if you ask me. Some guys work better in some situations then others. IMO that is one of Jon Fox's biggest failures. He is great at playing small ball with less then stellar players but dose not know how to tap players with loads of talent. If I was a Football team on the rebuild and needed a coach Jon Fox would be my first pick. If I was a team looking to win a SB he is my last pick.