TMJ rated best WR

[tukafan21]

9 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I hope you're right I would love to be proven wrong. I just feel we have to prove it. These young WR"s have not accomplished anything yet. And the 2 vets Adam/Chark are #2 WR's at best.

I mean, that's not really true.

Thielen and Chark, when healthy, have more than proved they're at worst WR 2's with Chark having low end 1 upside.  TMJ was looking like a legitimate WR2 in his own right late last year with garbage coaching and QB play, no reason he shouldn't improve this year and early reports are that he is.

Sure, Mingo is the question mark, but even if you look at Laviska as the 4th, he's a weapon who can be used in a variety of ways and has shown big play potential for us.  And I don't think Mingo is going to have any trouble making an impact this year.

The point is even if you're upset we don't have a true #1, you have to be able to look at what we do have and realize it's not a bottom 5 group.  

[WhoKnows]

14 hours ago, shaq said:

Elijah Moore was traded to the Browns for a second round pick. I highly doubt he’s in any sort of risk of not making the team. Use an accurate example next time buddy.

Ok buddy. I wasn’t aware that the Jets traded him but my point stands that obviously the Jets had no room for him with Wilson and all their additions like Lazard.

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, Frizzy350 said:

I agree.  Game changing wide outs are a luxury, not a requirement in the NFL.

Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, Calvin J, Steve Smith, Julio Jones - This is way too talented of a list of players at a single position to not have a ring.  There's obviously tons of great players at every position to never win a ring, I just don't think it compares to the level of talent these wideouts possessed.

Moss, TO, Fitzgerald, Smith and Julio all played in the Super Bowl. Would we have been better off as a team with Dilfer instead of Cam? Football is a team sport and all of these guys were literally a play away from being SB winners. That one play doesn’t mean star WRs are worse than a group of good WRs. Calvin is the only one who didn’t get close but Detroit was horrifically bad overall his career.

The last 4 SBs had AJ Brown, D. Smith, Higgins, Chase, Kupp, Godwin, Evans, Hill and Deebo. That’s a lot of star WRs. Out of the last 8 SB teams, only KC with Mahomes and Kelce didn’t have a stud WR. The other 7 teams had 1 or 2 stud WRs.

[X-Clown]

47 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Ok buddy. I wasn’t aware that the Jets traded him but my point stands that obviously the Jets had no room for him with Wilson and all their additions like Lazard.

He fetched the 2nd round pick that essentially got them Rodgers. Jets fans will tell you that Moore is talented, he’s been stuck with shitty QBs and got into it with the coaching staff last year. Reports are that he has been excellent in OTAs for Cleveland.

[Stuart Smith]

7 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

I hope so.  I think this group is probably better overall than the 2015 crowd. Olsen was a beast so I certainly don’t want to slight him but aside from him there wasn’t much there. 

This group may be similar to the 2015/group, never can tell. I remember the NFL Championship game against the Cardinals. Greg Olsen had 113 yards receiving as did Corey Brown. (Corey who?) Ted Ginn had 53 yards receiving. I will take one of those years. Someone will emerge. 

[frankw]

I have high hopes for TMJ but no matter what happens in camp I need to see it in preseason too. We've already seen the training camp MVP storyline play out before.

[WhoKnows]

5 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

He fetched the 2nd round pick that essentially got them Rodgers. Jets fans will tell you that Moore is talented, he’s been stuck with shitty QBs and got into it with the coaching staff last year. Reports are that he has been excellent in OTAs for Cleveland.

I just looked up the trade and let’s clarify a bit. The Jets didn’t really get a 2nd for Moore. They turned their 3rd into a 2nd for Moore. Also, that 2nd was one part of a package for Rodgers including a likely 2024 1st rounder and moving up a couple picks in the 1st.

Again, Moore was low man on the totem pole for the Jets. They added Lazard, Hardman and Cobb to Wilson and Davis. That’s 5 WRs ahead of him. Moore was disposable and they did a good job getting value for him.

I think my point stands that the “best” route runners minimum targets were set a bit low. If Moore was the 6th best WR on his team before the trade, it’s hard to take it seriously calling him an NFL best.

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Just because I have us as a bottom 5 WR core doesn't mean I don't think we can win games.

 

Im one of the few who have gone on record saying we will win the NFC South this year. Im just saying if we added a legit WR like Hopkins this offense could really be something special.

 

What's wrong with saying that?

We always overvalue our players in here. I was poo poo’d last year saying we had a bottom tier WR corps, dropping off hugely after DJ who also isn’t in the top tier elite guys. We lost DJ and now we have a stud WR group? I really hope Mingo is stud in waiting.

The 2015 season is a great example of Cam spreading it around, but we lost in part when Cotchery couldn’t just make the catch without needing replay and when Ginn tipped a ball for an interception. We lost the 2017 playoff game because we had no WRs and haven’t been back since. I don’t know why we have this thing for not wanting stud WRs because of 2015 when Smith is such a beloved ex-player and our WR weaknesses have showed up to help end our last two playoff games.

[X-Clown]

29 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

I just looked up the trade and let’s clarify a bit. The Jets didn’t really get a 2nd for Moore. They turned their 3rd into a 2nd for Moore. Also, that 2nd was one part of a package for Rodgers including a likely 2024 1st rounder and moving up a couple picks in the 1st.

Again, Moore was low man on the totem pole for the Jets. They added Lazard, Hardman and Cobb to Wilson and Davis. That’s 5 WRs ahead of him. Moore was disposable and they did a good job getting value for him.

I think my point stands that the “best” route runners minimum targets were set a bit low. If Moore was the 6th best WR on his team before the trade, it’s hard to take it seriously calling him an NFL best.

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

Our depth at wr is pretty good and we shouldn't have to worry about Bryce locking in on any 1 receiver (to a detriment). That being said, I wish we had a true number 1

[shaqattaq]

On 6/18/2023 at 12:41 AM, WhoKnows said:

Gotta love when the minimum is what the leader had. On one route, Hill had 54 targets. Elijah Moore was the best WR at comeback routes. He had an overall grade of 57.5, which sucks and he likely isn’t making the Jets roster.

We really are trying to hype up TMJ in here but a guy who’s touted here as the best deep ball guy in the NFL only has 1 TD and it was against garbage time backups when we were already losing by 35? I hope he’s as great as people think in here but I’m waiting until he’s not playing against CJ and Taylor.

I still hope Mingo balls out because I’m hoping for better than TMJ’s finish. I see all this TMJ was rolling under Wilks, but in the last 6 games he had 0 TDs and had 1-8, 1-18, 3-51, 2-55, 2-15 and 2-23 as our starting WR2.

[shaqattaq]

21 hours ago, ColumbusCounty said:

I think CJ Saunders, Josh Vann and Marquez Stevenson are damn near already on PS. 

 

Wright might beat them all out for top PS guy and if he could return a punt, would push Byrd and Smith for a roster spot. Other than that omission (IMO), you're spot on.

I wonder if we keep 7 this year.

[WhoKnows]

9 hours ago, X-Clown said:

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. 

Lol, maybe so, but a guy who was going to be the 6th WR on a team is not someone who’s a given to make a roster. Just because the Browns were willing to take a chance trading down doesn’t mean the Jets had any plans for him. I mean the Browns personnel decisions are golden, have been for years.

[shaqattaq]

15 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

IMO, if everyone plays up to their potential, or even better. This team can be scary. 

I agree, but potential is the key word here.

We have a new HC, a new OC, a new WR coach, a new passing game coordinator 3 new QB's, and 3 new WR's. Our 3 returning receivers; TMJ, Shenault and (maybe) Shi, had a whopping 28 receptions 490 yards 1 TD, 27 receptions 272 yards 1 TD, and 22 receptions 296 yards 2 TD's, respectively. Hard to imagine how it all will come together with having barely seen anyone play.