At this point in time, who feels like we lost this trade?

[Panthero]

9 minutes ago, strato said:

You really can't without on field play.
We had no NFL evidence in June of 2023 so there was only speculation anyway. 

I stayed a lot away until the season. Then it is fair game because it isn't college anymore.

Of course you can. Quit trying to apply rationale to the topic. The emotional brain was fully in control. Statistics? No one gave a poo and guess what? It'll happen again. Particularly in cases of desperation when there is no hard evidence (in game performance) to the contrary. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Panthero

[Davidson Deac II]

10 hours ago, CRA said:

The only postive, is Caleb will likely be a horrriic bust too.  But we still lost the trade 

Regarding Caleb, unlike Young, he seems to have the physical tools.  No way to know at this point if he will make the adjustment to the NFL or not.  His start has been inconsistent at best.  

[CPcavedweller]

2 hours ago, strato said:

You really can't without on field play.
We had no NFL evidence in June of 2023 so there was only speculation anyway. 

I stayed a lot away until the season. Then it is fair game because it isn't college anymore.

It wasn’t all speculation. For people who consume college football as much, if not more, than the NFL it was easy to see. Bryce doesn’t have the arm. He doesn’t have the extra elite traits to make up for his lack of traits. 
 

you don’t give up what we gave up for a guy who requires an offense of first round talent to succeed. You take a guy like Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Joe Burrow, etc. with that trade. Not a guy like Bryce. 

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Regarding Caleb, unlike Young, he seems to have the physical tools.  No way to know at this point if he will make the adjustment to the NFL or not.  His start has been inconsistent at best.  

Caleb has the arm, and if he develops the mental aspect he will be really very good. He reminds me a lot of Dak. 

[strato]

2 hours ago, Panthero said:

Of course you can. Quit trying to apply rationale to the topic. The emotional brain was fully in control. Statistics? No one gave a poo and guess what? It'll happen again. Particularly in cases of desperation when there is no hard evidence (in game performance) to the contrary. 

There are people in here right now that still, after all we have seen, have refused to accept any narrative that doesn’t have Bryce as the victim. You can’t fight that without getting worn out  

 

49 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

It wasn’t all speculation. For people who consume college football as much, if not more, than the NFL it was easy to see. Bryce doesn’t have the arm. He doesn’t have the extra elite traits to make up for his lack of traits. 
 

you don’t give up what we gave up for a guy who requires an offense of first round talent to succeed. You take a guy like Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Joe Burrow, etc. with that trade. Not a guy like Bryce. 

it was speculation until NFL games are in the books, because the people who will not accept what you are trying to tell them, can say you can’t prove that. 
Peyton had a horrible rookie year, never Jamarcus Russell had a horrible rookie year. 
Until Bryce throws his first NFL INT I couldn’t prove to some people that he was capable of throwing one.