Rotoworld blurb on Terrace Marshall: “sneaky” fantasy upside

[Stuart Smith]

3 hours ago, Adb6368 said:

Picking the panthers #1 wide receiver right now is throwing darts. New system. Rookie qb. Too many unknowns.  Maybe Bryce focuses on thielen all year as a consistent lifeline. Maybe Mingo lights the league on fire a la dk metcalf from ole miss. Maybe Marshall does take that next step. 

from a pure fantasy perspective id stay away from all of them. 

from a fan perspective I’m convinced we have 4 #1 receivers ha 

I think Miles Sanders may catch more passes out of the backfield than some may expect. 

[tukafan21]

I think Thielen very well might end up as the top fantasy WR for us next year, in PPR leagues that is, at least the most consistent.

He's going to be a perfect fit for Bryce's scrambling ability as the check down guy on those and be a great possession WR who should also score 6 TDs or so as well.

If Chark, TMJ, or Mingo break out, they could end up with the most points, but I think they'll all have up and down games and Thielen should be a pretty consistent 5 catches for 50 yards each game with many weeks where he adds a TD or puts up more yards/catches.

Those are my kinda players in fantasy, consistency wins leagues, I actually won my league last year with Thielen being that guy who I drafted as a bench WR to start the year but ended up playing him almost every week due to injuries/byes and he was a consistent 10 points for me each week.

[ECHornet]

3 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

If that is the case Fitt needs to be fired for wasting FA money on 2 washed WR's.

We’re paying Chark 5mil this season. Chump change. 
 

You’re calling for Fitt to potentially be fired over a good deal on a young WR who could be a #1 if consistently healthy. We didn’t have Mingo when we signed them either. 

[WhoKnows]

8 hours ago, Stuart Smith said:

I think Miles Sanders may catch more passes out of the backfield than some may expect. 

And Hurst. I think both will take a bigger piece of the pie than their counterparts last year.

[mrcompletely11]

7 hours ago, ECHornet said:

We’re paying Chark 5mil this season. Chump change. 
 

You’re calling for Fitt to potentially be fired over a good deal on a young WR who could be a #1 if consistently healthy. We didn’t have Mingo when we signed them either. 

A wr signing isn't detrimental to Fitts job.  That is clearly tied to young.  

[Aussie Tank]

This training camp is gonna be awesome TMJ, Viska and Mingo all battling it out to be Young’s alpha WR. Don’t be surprised if Viska wins it 

[Tr3ach]

2 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

This training camp is gonna be awesome TMJ, Viska and Mingo all battling it out to be Young’s alpha WR. Don’t be surprised if Viska wins it 

If Viska wins it then we are in bad shape.  Hes not very good at playing a traditional wr.  He was a good gadget guy in Jacksonville and his undoing was his last season there where they tried stepping him up to a more traditional wr and his routes were slow and clunky.   Shenault is a really good gadget player that needs schemed touches and thats fine.

[rayzor]

21 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

If Viska wins it then we are in bad shape.  Hes not very good at playing a traditional wr.  He was a good gadget guy in Jacksonville and his undoing was his last season there where they tried stepping him up to a more traditional wr and his routes were slow and clunky.   Shenault is a really good gadget player that needs schemed touches and thats fine.

agreed. they need to keep him in that lane. he's great in that lane. in fact they need to find more ways to get him involved doing it, but they need to get the idea out of their heads that he's anything but that. 

keep him on the field so it's not such a telegraph that they're going to do something funky with him, but just find some more ways to use him in the role where he's best.

[rebelrouser]

People on here are obsessed with having a traditional #1 WR, but our group's value lies in depth and not a star at the top. Plus Bryce's best asset is his ability to go through reads and spread the ball around. Carolina is not a place to find a good fantasy WR.  Even if TMJ takes the next step, he will be sharing catches with several others limiting his fantasy numbers. 

[Icege]

13 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

You can be hopeful TMJ takes the next step but “hardly on the field” is wrong. DJ and Robby were WR1 and WR2 and for the 13 games TMJ played, he received 48% of the snaps. He was WR3 and was on the field half the time. He was WR2 last year and was on the field for 77% of the snaps (missed 3 games) and that was even with Robby being WR2 until being traded.  

Again, blame everything else but don’t say he didn’t have enough snaps, because it isn’t true. Personally, I think Mingo has a better shot because I haven’t ever felt like TMJ got enough consistent separation, hence so many people thinking he barely played.

There was 1,442 total snaps under Matt Rhule's regime and 723 under Steve Wilks'. TMJ was on the field for 30.6% of the snaps under Rhule, 81.3% under Wilks. It is very much so accurate to state that TMJ was "hardly on the field" while Rhule was running the team. 

TMJ's averages per game from his 15 games under Rhule:

• 29.4 snaps (441 total)
• 19.8 routes  (297 total)
• 2.3 targets (34 total)

TMJ's averages per game from his 12 games under Wilks':

• 49 snaps (588 total)
• 22 routes (264 total)
• 3.6 targets (43 total)

To put those numbers into perspective, here are the averages for the other two WRs mentioned under Rhule:

Chosen (22 games)

• 53.9 snaps (1185 total)
• 36.9 routes (812 total)
• 5 targets (110 total)

DJ (20 games)

• 55.6 snaps (1112 total)
• 36.2 routes (723 total)
• 9.1 targets (182 total)

[Jackie Lee]

Could DW take one of the last 2 spots?

 

[Khyber53]

Man, I wish I was more hopeful for our WR group but let's be real. Every single guy we've got is in a "prove it" position right now and that doesn't bode well.

TMJ is right now going into his third season after being a highly touted draftee. His first two seasons were lackluster at best and even with coaching aside, he hasn't even flashed brilliance much. He's really in a make it or take it home situation this year and his career really hangs in the balance. 

Thielen was just jettisoned from the Vikings for basically being too old, and that's after having a heck of a long career there, as well as being a local legend. He's got a lot to prove that he still has the "it" factor and that he can still make the hard catches and put his excellent route running to good use. He has to somehow prove the Vikings coaching staff wrong in a new town, with a new coach and a brand new rookie QB. That's a mighty tall order to fill.

Chark was lt go at the end of the 2022 season by the Lions after being there for a year on a "prove it" deal. He had 502 yards and three touchdowns there and it just wasn't enough to keep him on the roster. He's just 27, so there's still some hope, but were the Lions right about him? He's on the hook here for $5, but is 500 yds and 3 TDs really worth that much?

Mingo is a rookie, second rounder with some good stats and a lot of praise for his college game. Same as TMJ when he was drafted here. Still, he's a rookie, so it is a definite "prove it"  situation for him, but with some leeway due to how new he will be to the pro game. I'm really hopeful for him, but reality says that he's got a hill to climb this year.

Shenault's looking at a prove it year, too. He's got to prove that he can make catches and be something more than just a gadget player whho can moonlight as a running back. It's neat, but can you show us something else, kid?

Damiere Byrd. Well. Good luck.

We can look at these guys and swoon in the preseason, but truth be told, we need at least two of these guys to  prove that they can be starters in this league at this point in their careers. I don't think any of them can be counted on to be superstars, but maybe they can work something up amongst the group.

If I were an opposing secondary coach with these guys up next on my schedule, I don't think I'd be losing much sleep over it. 

Gosh, I hope I am wrong.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Khyber53 said:

Man, I wish I was more hopeful for our WR group but let's be real. Every single guy we've got is in a "prove it" position right now and that doesn't bode well.

TMJ is right now going into his third season after being a highly touted draftee. His first two seasons were lackluster at best and even with coaching aside, he hasn't even flashed brilliance much. He's really in a make it or take it home situation this year and his career really hangs in the balance. 

Thielen was just jettisoned from the Vikings for basically being too old, and that's after having a heck of a long career there, as well as being a local legend. He's got a lot to prove that he still has the "it" factor and that he can still make the hard catches and put his excellent route running to good use. He has to somehow prove the Vikings coaching staff wrong in a new town, with a new coach and a brand new rookie QB. That's a mighty tall order to fill.

Chark was lt go at the end of the 2022 season by the Lions after being there for a year on a "prove it" deal. He had 502 yards and three touchdowns there and it just wasn't enough to keep him on the roster. He's just 27, so there's still some hope, but were the Lions right about him? He's on the hook here for $5, but is 500 yds and 3 TDs really worth that much?

Mingo is a rookie, second rounder with some good stats and a lot of praise for his college game. Same as TMJ when he was drafted here. Still, he's a rookie, so it is a definite "prove it"  situation for him, but with some leeway due to how new he will be to the pro game. I'm really hopeful for him, but reality says that he's got a hill to climb this year.

Shenault's looking at a prove it year, too. He's got to prove that he can make catches and be something more than just a gadget player whho can moonlight as a running back. It's neat, but can you show us something else, kid?

Damiere Byrd. Well. Good luck.

We can look at these guys and swoon in the preseason, but truth be told, we need at least two of these guys to  prove that they can be starters in this league at this point in their careers. I don't think any of them can be counted on to be superstars, but maybe they can work something up amongst the group.

If I were an opposing secondary coach with these guys up next on my schedule, I don't think I'd be losing much sleep over it. 

Gosh, I hope I am wrong.

1. Hopefully TMJ is past his injury stigma and was held back by shoddy qb play and rhule

2. Adam T probably shouldnt be expected to do much of anything outside of leading by example.  33 is old by wr standards

3. Chark is coming off surgery and gets hurt a lot.  Anything we get from him is a bonus IMO

4. With the steriod like development of young wrs these days it wouldnt surprise me to see him make some headway throughout the year and starting by the end

5. Not a fan of Shenault as a wr.  To bulky and not much juice to his game

 

[MasterAwesome]

10 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Man, I wish I was more hopeful for our WR group but let's be real. Every single guy we've got is in a "prove it" position right now and that doesn't bode well.

TMJ is right now going into his third season after being a highly touted draftee. His first two seasons were lackluster at best and even with coaching aside, he hasn't even flashed brilliance much. He's really in a make it or take it home situation this year and his career really hangs in the balance. 

Thielen was just jettisoned from the Vikings for basically being too old, and that's after having a heck of a long career there, as well as being a local legend. He's got a lot to prove that he still has the "it" factor and that he can still make the hard catches and put his excellent route running to good use. He has to somehow prove the Vikings coaching staff wrong in a new town, with a new coach and a brand new rookie QB. That's a mighty tall order to fill.

Chark was lt go at the end of the 2022 season by the Lions after being there for a year on a "prove it" deal. He had 502 yards and three touchdowns there and it just wasn't enough to keep him on the roster. He's just 27, so there's still some hope, but were the Lions right about him? He's on the hook here for $5, but is 500 yds and 3 TDs really worth that much?

Mingo is a rookie, second rounder with some good stats and a lot of praise for his college game. Same as TMJ when he was drafted here. Still, he's a rookie, so it is a definite "prove it"  situation for him, but with some leeway due to how new he will be to the pro game. I'm really hopeful for him, but reality says that he's got a hill to climb this year.

Shenault's looking at a prove it year, too. He's got to prove that he can make catches and be something more than just a gadget player whho can moonlight as a running back. It's neat, but can you show us something else, kid?

Damiere Byrd. Well. Good luck.

We can look at these guys and swoon in the preseason, but truth be told, we need at least two of these guys to  prove that they can be starters in this league at this point in their careers. I don't think any of them can be counted on to be superstars, but maybe they can work something up amongst the group.

If I were an opposing secondary coach with these guys up next on my schedule, I don't think I'd be losing much sleep over it. 

Gosh, I hope I am wrong.

I generally see a lot of players in a "prove it" position as a positive.  These are gonna be guys with a chip on their shoulder who have extra motivation to produce as their future prospects are dwindling.  That's why you see a fair amount of players who overachieve during contract years.