2023 Off-Season Thread

[Harbingers]

The fact we are trying to even move Pesce when he’s got half the league on a do not go list is just absurd. 

[MillionDollarCam]

13 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

His point on SJS not taking 40% and EK’s issues remains valid though. Especially on a team like this. As much as most canes fans bitch and moan we are not a “the guy” team. Pick TDA up and call it good until the deadline. 

Exactly, we aren’t overpaying for EK. If it’s not a good deal then San Jose can keep that $11.5M cap hit which only gets worse as Karlsson regresses.

[Anybodyhome]

I've long been off the EK deal. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it improves the team from either a salary cap position or a playoff hockey contender position.

 

[KillerKat]

40 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

This whole obsession with offensive defensemen is starting to get ludicrous to me. That’s how rod’s game works. We got a bit of grit. That’s great. We need to position ourselves to flip Drury(sorry dude) at the deadline, get someone who is injured but we know will deliver. Cheat the cap. Cause that’s how you win the cup in the past what? 6 season?

I really dont like offensive defensemen. They are defensemen. They are supposed to be good at defense. 

Edited July 16, 2023 by KillerKat

[KillerKat]

24 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

I've long been off the EK deal. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it improves the team from either a salary cap position or a playoff hockey contender position.

 

I dont like it either. We need another scoring forward. Defense was never the issue.

[DavidEng]

Interesting article about Nyander and the Canes. What I found most interesting was some of the stats they provide.

https://thehockeywriters.com/hurricanes-trade-target-maple-leafs-nylander/

[KillerKat]

4 hours ago, DavidEng said:

Interesting article about Nyander and the Canes. What I found most interesting was some of the stats they provide.

https://thehockeywriters.com/hurricanes-trade-target-maple-leafs-nylander/

`Carolina was the third-worst team in finishing ability (minus-31.15 goals above expected), and failed to convert on their opportunities and had the fifth-worst team shooting percentage (7.8 percent).  An injection of offensive firepower is needed, and badly. Carolina averaged 3.20 goals per game (15th in the league) and scored 175 goals (19th in the league), so adding extra scoring is apparent.`

 

Wow. Yeah I like Nylander. Scored 80 and 87 points the last 2 years with last year being his best. Only 27 years old, looks to be entering his prime. Right handed and can play RW and C. Yes please.

Edited July 17, 2023 by KillerKat

[panthers81]

5 hours ago, DavidEng said:

Interesting article about Nyander and the Canes. What I found most interesting was some of the stats they provide.

https://thehockeywriters.com/hurricanes-trade-target-maple-leafs-nylander/

Why would Toronto want to trade Nylander? Who would we send back the other way? Pesce?

[KatsAzz]

13 hours ago, Harbingers said:

Then we get 4M in cap and a huge trading chip. Bigger than either Pesce or Skjei this season. Now is not the season to be trading pieces. Since bettman absolutely fugged the cap the past few years.

Posted 13 hours ago

I agree that now is not the season to be trading pieces.

[DavidEng]

4 hours ago, panthers81 said:

Why would Toronto want to trade Nylander? Who would we send back the other way? Pesce?

I doubt we have a chance to get Nylander. The bigger point as KillerKat quoted the stats from the article is Canes are missing offensive firepower. And Karlsson sure as hell isn’t the answer to that.

Heres more on the Nylander situation.

https://nhltradetalk.com/william-nylander-trade-talk-the-weight-of-an-unsigned-season/

Edited July 17, 2023 by DavidEng

[Anybodyhome]

The leafs added Tyler Bertuzzi, Ryan Reaves and Max Domi so far this off season. This adds a physical dimension to a team that was similar to Carolina in that there wasn't the gritty guy to protect Aho. The Leafs had no one to get nasty while protecting Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner.

Granted, the Leafs are now in salary cap hell and need to dump $8M (LTIRs not included; $3.2M with LTIR). Is Nylander (as yet unsigned for the 2024-2025 season and carrying a $7M cap hit) available? He might be.

[DavidEng]

2 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

The leafs added Tyler Bertuzzi, Ryan Reaves and Max Domi so far this off season. This adds a physical dimension to a team that was similar to Carolina in that there wasn't the gritty guy to protect Aho. The Leafs had no one to get nasty while protecting Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner.

Granted, the Leafs are now in salary cap hell and need to dump $8M (LTIRs not included; $3.2M with LTIR). Is Nylander (as yet unsigned for the 2024-2025 season and carrying a $7M cap hit) available? He might be.

I don’t know. wish he would be. Talk of them letting him ride with no extension to have a chance at the cup. I guess they would have to dump money somewhere else if cap space is an issue. That’s quite a gamble though because they would no longer have trade value in him after next season when he becomes a UFA.

Edited July 17, 2023 by DavidEng

[backINblack28]

3 hours ago, DavidEng said:

I doubt we have a chance to get Nylander. The bigger point as KillerKat quoted the stats from the article is Canes are missing offensive firepower. And Karlsson sure as hell isn’t the answer to that.

Heres more on the Nylander situation.

https://nhltradetalk.com/william-nylander-trade-talk-the-weight-of-an-unsigned-season/

Nylander just overvalues tf out of himself so unless he wants to come here with a bridge deal idk what they're going to do cause that he wants 10m is gonna hurt his trade value so bad.

I get that we need FORWARD who scores, but Karlsson had 25 goals/101 points last year. We would be slotted in easy as the number one scoring D and 25 goals helps idgaf where it comes from. it woulda been good for 3rd on the team last season.

[panthers81]

9 minutes ago, backINblack28 said:

Nylander just overvalues tf out of himself so unless he wants to come here with a bridge deal idk what they're going to do cause that he wants 10m is gonna hurt his trade value so bad.

I get that we need FORWARD who scores, but Karlsson had 25 goals/101 points last year. We would be slotted in easy as the number one scoring D and 25 goals helps idgaf where it comes from. it woulda been good for 3rd on the team last season.

If you look at his whole body of work since 2018 he's usually around 45-50 games played and around a point per game. This past year was a career year...huge risk with him is his health. IF he stays healthy....I like the trade LOL!