2023 Off-Season Thread

[USDepartmentOfSavagery]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

Add to the above, rumor is the Hurricanes have talked about getting DeBrincat. So in on Karlsson and DeBrincat right now and both would need to involve players going out. 

Can you link those rumors please lol

[DavidEng]

Posting just for the ensuing fun.

 

[DavidEng]

Yeah I know he’s the Norris trophy winner for defensemen. Just adding perspective. Just don’t quite understand the Canes, known for their defense, sees this as the best move when offensive line scoring is the weakest spot that Bunting should help with.

 

[carpanfan96]

49 minutes ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Can you link those rumors please lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nhlrumors.com/nhl-rumors-alex-debrincat-erik-karlsson-and-max-domi/2023/07/02/amp/

[KillerKat]

2 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

Add to the above, rumor is the Hurricanes have talked about getting DeBrincat. So in on Karlsson and DeBrincat right now and both would need to involve players going out. 

Id rather DeBrincat than Karlsson

[KillerKat]

1 hour ago, DavidEng said:

Yeah I know he’s the Norris trophy winner for defensemen. Just adding perspective. Just don’t quite understand the Canes, known for their defense, sees this as the best move when offensive line scoring is the weakest spot that Bunting should help with.

 

Yeah if they want scoring, just get a scorer and not a defenseman that is bad at defense but can put up points. We are just weakening the defense for no reason when he is on the ice.

[MillionDollarCam]

De Haan to Tampa

[DavidEng]

Just sitting back and thinking it all over. If we make no other trades we’ve already improved on both offense and defense with Bunting and Orlov. And if we get DeAngelo at half price that’s not a bad deal either, can provide some offensive punch or a scrapper from the blue line when we need it.

[Anybodyhome]

My opinion is, if they're set on bringing back TDA, then let the Karlsson thing go. If a deal can't be done with Pesce, trade him and get a winger.

Slavin-Burns

Skjei/Orlov-Chatty

Orlov/Skjei-TDA

Coghlan

Which brings me to my next point- a winger.

I already listed Bunting some time back as a likely target, but let's look at a couple other possibilities:

Troy Terry (Ducks) UFA: 67 and 61 points the last 2 seasons, and he's only 25. Could fit under the cap with not too much effort and send the Ducks Pesce.

Alex DeBrincat (Sens) RFA: 187 G, 186 A (373 points) in 450 games during his 6 years in the league. Also only 25 years old. Would need Ottawa to retain some, give them Pesce and a prospect, I'm sure.

Viktor Arvidsson or Adrian Kempe (Kings): Will be a UFA after next season and the Kings have no defense and bad goalies. Offer up Pesce and I'll take the 45 points Viktor will put up or the 50 Kempe will get.

[MillionDollarCam]

So San Jose is willing to retain $3M on Karlsson. Just my own speculation but I doubt the Hurricanes want Karlsson at more than $6.5M.

So either 1) San Jose would have to retain more or 2) the Canes would need to find a third team and 3) Pesce would definitely be included in the deal.

Karlsson at $6.5M would effectively take up all of our cap space and we could no longer add TDA. Additionally, we probably couldn’t add another forward because Skjei would be needed since we wouldn’t be able to acquire TDA, meaning we couldn’t trade Skjei for forward help.

The team would probably be:

Bunting - Aho - Jarvis

Svechnikov - Kotkaniemi - Necas

Martinook - Staal - Fast

Noesen - Drury - Teravainen

Rees/Ponomarev/Suzuki

Slavin - Burns

Orlov - Karlsson

Skjei - Chatfield

Coghlan

Andersen

Raanta

Kochetkov

 

[MillionDollarCam]

Just did a little more math on it and I guess the Canes could make it work.

Without Rees, Ponomarev, and Suzuki counting toward the cap, the Canes have around $5.3M in cap space.

If we got Karlsson at $6.5M and Pesce was included in the deal then we’d have $2.8M in cap space left. The Canes could then complete the TDA deal and then move Skjei for forward help or move him for picks and prospects and then sign Tarasenko with a $5M AAV. The Canes would also probably need to pull Coghlan’s QO so that we’d have around $1M to play with in regards to call-ups. The Canes could also put Svechnikov on LTIR to start the season so that Rees, Ponomarev, and Suzuki can all suit up for the Canes if need be.

The following team would have about $1M in cap space for call-up’s:

Bunting - Aho - Tarasenko

Svechnikov - Kotkaniemi - Necas

Martinook - Staal - Fast

Noesen - Drury - Teravainen

Slavin - Burns

Orlov - Karlsson

Chatfield - TDA

Andersen

Raanta

[Anybodyhome]

Sorry, but I think a move for Karlsson is nowhere near as important as adding a wing scoring threat. And I think the Karlsson deal prevents the team from pursuing its real need.

[MillionDollarCam]

I think it’s obvious what the Canes are doing.

We need more offense and defensemen spend more time on the ice than forwards, it’s just a fact.

If you have a guy like Burns, Karlsson, and DeAngelo on each pairing then you have a guy that can get you 50 points. Those three aren’t exactly stalwarts defensively but the hope is that if you pair them with a Slavin, Orlov, and Chatfield that they will be successful.

GMDW has done a good job of reworking the team so if we acquire both Karlsson and TDA, I’ll hold my judgment until I see what the team looks like on opening night.

[MillionDollarCam]

Domi off to Toronto with Bertuzzi.