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Panthers over/under win totals

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2 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

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Y'all are hilarious. The complaint posts when an upward-trending 6-8 win season doesn't meet "the expectation" that, for a laundry list of reasons, was pretty unreasonable in the first place will be amusing.

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On 5/16/2023 at 5:43 AM, NAS said:

Terrible take, they were on rebuilding teams with little talent around them. Panthers picked #1 because they traded up. They would have been a playoff team last year with a decent QB play and Bryce Young is as NFL ready as any QB in history 

Take a look at the list of rookie QBs with the most wins. Note how few had 9 or more, and then further drill that down that by how many also had new staffs to contend with, THEN also consider play style. 

Spoiler: there are almost no rookies in the 2000s that achieved 9 wins or more as a starter with new coaches as well. It's certainly possible that this team is an outlier but man are some of your opinions and expectations so very unrealistic.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-wins-by-a-rookie-qb-in-there-first-season

 

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45 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Y'all are hilarious. The complaint posts when an upward-trending 6-8 win season doesn't meet "the expectation" that, for a laundry list of reasons, was pretty unreasonable in the first place will be amusing.

Teams that are successful with their new coach see dramatic results almost immediately. If you don't see it early, you probably won't.

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2 hours ago, poundaway said:

We're not playing last year's rosters or even last years schedule.   

The division rivals did not stand still.

We've made very little investment on the D side of the ball, and our D wasn't all that great last year.  Add to that  a new DC and changing base formation.

Young was a great college QB, but he is still a rookie.

Our OC has never been OC. 

Reich's O last year was horrible, and he' going to calling plays.

The schedule is front loaded we already have injuries on our starting OL.

It’s possible we skip the part where we take time to gel and that all the ingredients just work together like fine stew, but I would guess we start slow as we lead off with two division games.

 

 

What in the hell are you referring to? 

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1 hour ago, rayzor said:

Teams that are successful with their new coach see dramatic results almost immediately. If you don't see it early, you probably won't.

And success includes more than just wins/losses, particularly with a rookie QB and as much change as Carolina is facing. Year 2 is where wins/loss jump should become a primary metric for a total shift like this.

There's no point in continuing to go with you and others in a circle. The reality is that thinking anything less than the playoffs for this year's largely-overhauled, top-to-bottom melting pot of team is objective failure just is not a fair and reasonable position to hold.

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1 hour ago, KSpan said:

And success includes more than just wins/losses, particularly with a rookie QB and as much change as Carolina is facing. Year 2 is where wins/loss jump should become a primary metric for a total shift like this.

There's no point in continuing to go with you and others in a circle. The reality is that thinking anything less than the playoffs for this year's largely-overhauled, top-to-bottom melting pot of team is objective failure just is not a fair and reasonable position to hold.

The reality is, we are in a soft division and we have a soft schedule. Tbh, I think that ATL and the saints have improved over the off-season, but none of them have had the upgrades that we have. I think coaching alone accounts for at least 2 more wins than last season. Having an OL that is now set and entrenched and has significant time together building chemistry is a huge upgrade over last year. And then there's Young...whom i believe will be, sooner rather than later, the best QB in the division and easily the top half of the NFC quickly.

If we were in any other division, had a tougher schedule, or were in the AFC, then I'd be buying your arguments a bit easier.

But that's not our reality. Our reality is we have the best one of the best coaching staffs in the NFC, a still very weak division, and an easy schedule full of weak or new QBs and bad teams.

So yeah ... If we can't capitalize on all of this in '23 and can't get a winning record, we're looking at a long road ahead. I just don't see that happening.

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On 5/24/2023 at 1:56 PM, KSpan said:

And success includes more than just wins/losses, particularly with a rookie QB and as much change as Carolina is facing. Year 2 is where wins/loss jump should become a primary metric for a total shift like this.

There's no point in continuing to go with you and others in a circle. The reality is that thinking anything less than the playoffs for this year's largely-overhauled, top-to-bottom melting pot of team is objective failure just is not a fair and reasonable position to hold.

 

You know it is perfectly acceptable for ppl not to agree with you.

 

Also, why does it seem to bother you that there are fans that have real excitement, and true hope for this years team?

 

One of the best Coaching Staffs in the league, upgraded Offensive weapons, up and coming DC with Dom Capers. AND the best QB in the draft. Seems like enough for fans to get excited over. Especially in our Division.

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You know it is perfectly acceptable for ppl not to agree with you.

 

Also, why does it seem to bother you that there are fans that have real excitement, and true hope for this years team?

 

One of the best Coaching Staffs in the league, upgraded Offensive weapons, up and coming DC with Dom Capers. AND the best QB in the draft. Seems like enough for fans to get excited over. Especially in our Division.

Fans should be excited - it's a lot of change, Rhule is gone (hallelujah), and change can (and ideally should) be exciting. It's the 'anything less than the playoffs this year is a failure' stuff that is just irrational and unrealistic nonsense. Are people really going to be calling for Reich and the staff's heads if we go 8-9 this year and miss the playoffs? That's just dumb, and folks with that attitude are the ones begging for disappointment.

I've already addressed the other things in my earlier posts. 

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