Panthers over/under win totals

[poundaway]

2 hours ago, OceanPanther said:

Rookie season

Cam 6 wins

Payton  3 wins

Trevor Lawrence 3 wins

I think Bryce Young has  better team around him than any of those three. I think he has better coaching than those 3's rookie seasons. I think the division is weaker than those 3's when a rookie.

Panthers,  win 10 

Stay Healthy My Friend

 

Cam had Stewart, DeAngelo, Olsen, Smitty, Kalil, Gross, Hardy, Johnson.

There was a lot of talent on that team, some of the greatest Panthers of all time.

 

[CPantherKing]

9 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Yeah, all those teams were awful, a majority of them rank in the top 10 of worst teams ever… not to mention the list includes guys drafted decades ago. The Jets (Namath) were not even a NFL team and the Patriots (Plunkett) were named The Boston Patriots.

And the Panthers are not awful and have downgraded from CMC and Moore?

5 of those teams went on to win the SB and 6 of them went to the SB. All those teams were awful?

34 SB winning QBs, 35 SB winning HCs, and 29 QBs drafted #1 overall. Go ahead and find the non-playoff teams drafting a QB #1 overall that won enough games in their rookie season to make the playoffs. How about the teams that traded up to the #1 overall like the Panthers to get their QB. How did that work out in year 1?

Having people try to make an exception for the Panthers going from #9 to #1 as though that means they are better than the teams that finished last, or that there were no teams like the Panthers who traded up.

The insane take would be comparing the Panthers to the Steelers under Cowher, the Chiefs under Reid, or the Ravens under Harbaugh going after a 1st round QB for a team that is already a contender with SB All-pro leadership already on the team.

[ForJimmy]

50 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

And the Panthers are not awful and have downgraded from CMC and Moore?

5 of those teams went on to win the SB and 6 of them went to the SB. All those teams were awful?

34 SB winning QBs, 35 SB winning HCs, and 29 QBs drafted #1 overall. Go ahead and find the non-playoff teams drafting a QB #1 overall that won enough games in their rookie season to make the playoffs. How about the teams that traded up to the #1 overall like the Panthers to get their QB. How did that work out in year 1?

Having people try to make an exception for the Panthers going from #9 to #1 as though that means they are better than the teams that finished last, or that there were no teams like the Panthers who traded up.

The insane take would be comparing the Panthers to the Steelers under Cowher, the Chiefs under Reid, or the Ravens under Harbaugh going after a 1st round QB for a team that is already a contender with SB All-pro leadership already on the team.

[ickmule]

17 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

What is preposterous is saying Young has a high probability of getting to 9 wins or more. 2 to 4 wins is typical. For the amount the Panthers paid, he should have a winning season in year 1.

Peyton Manning 3 wins (failed with original coach)

John Elway 4 wins (failed with original coach)

Steve Young 1 win (failed with drafted team)

Troy Aikman 0 wins

Joe Namath 3 wins

Terry Bradshaw 3 wins

Jim Plunkett 6 wins (failed with drafted team)

Eli Manning 1 win

Matthew Stafford 2 wins (failed with drafted team)

All the SB winning QBs selected #1. Their rookie wins. Average is 2.6 wins.

It amazes me that people think a rookie QB will win 9 or more games. It’s silly to say the least. I predict 7 but would not be surprised if it’s only 2 or 3. A rookie Qb and new staff doesn’t add up to a division title and playoffs. The homers are just being that. 

[NAS]

11 minutes ago, ickmule said:

It amazes me that people think a rookie QB will win 9 or more games. It’s silly to say the least. I predict 7 but would not be surprised if it’s only 2 or 3. A rookie Qb and new staff doesn’t add up to a division title and playoffs. The homers are just being that. 

wtf man - then why didn't the 49ers lose their games with Brock Purdy?

Coaching matters, there's a reason they're all here.  If they finish less than .500, it will be a huge letdown.  

Edited May 17, 2023 by NAS

[ickmule]

16 minutes ago, NAS said:

wtf man - then why didn't the 49ers lose their games with Brock Purdy?

Coaching matters, there's a reason they're all here.  If they finish less than .500, it will be a huge letdown.  

Prepare for a letdown. The niners coach is head and shoulders better than Reich 

[Mage]

8 hours ago, ickmule said:

It amazes me that people think a rookie QB will win 9 or more games. It’s silly to say the least. 

If you don't think the Panthers win 9+ games, fair enough.

But you do realize plenty of rookie QBs have won 9+ games before, right?  It isn't that uncommon and certainly not a prediction that is "silly". Matt Ryan won 11 games with 1st year Mike Smith.  Flacco won 11 games with 1st year Harbaugh.  Russ won 11 games with Pete Carroll.  RG3 won 10 games with Mike Shanahan. Kyle freakin' Orton won 10 games as a rookie.  We know about Dak's rookie year.  We know about Ben's rookie year.  Mac Jones won 10+ games.  Luck won 10+ games.

LIS, if you don't think the Panthers win 9+ games, then I can see the argument.  But you make it seem like rookie QBs are incapable of having great team success and that just isn't true.  

[JawnyBlaze]

17 hours ago, poundaway said:

Cam had Stewart, DeAngelo, Olsen, Smitty, Kalil, Gross, Hardy, Johnson.

There was a lot of talent on that team, some of the greatest Panthers of all time.

 

You’re right about that, defense was suspect overall but there was a lot of talent on that team. Too bad we were saddled with Rivera, would have had at least 3 or 4 more wins with a decent HC (not to mention winning seasons over the next 9 years)

[poundaway]

16 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

And the Panthers are not awful and have downgraded from CMC and Moore?

5 of those teams went on to win the SB and 6 of them went to the SB. All those teams were awful?

34 SB winning QBs, 35 SB winning HCs, and 29 QBs drafted #1 overall. Go ahead and find the non-playoff teams drafting a QB #1 overall that won enough games in their rookie season to make the playoffs. How about the teams that traded up to the #1 overall like the Panthers to get their QB. How did that work out in year 1?

Having people try to make an exception for the Panthers going from #9 to #1 as though that means they are better than the teams that finished last, or that there were no teams like the Panthers who traded up.

The insane take would be comparing the Panthers to the Steelers under Cowher, the Chiefs under Reid, or the Ravens under Harbaugh going after a 1st round QB for a team that is already a contender with SB All-pro leadership already on the team.

CMC participated in 1 win from 6 games last year. Historically Moore and Thielen have been on par, we'll see if age catches up with Thielen this year.  Last year DJ dropped 5.9% of his passes.  Thielen dropped 1.9%. 

Reich>>> Rhule.  Evero>>>Holcomb. 

Building on 7 wins, there's reason to hope that we are a playoff team. 

But there is just so much change this year with a lot of moving parts and a rookie QB.  It seems we should start slow and we start the schedule with division games.  If we win the first two games, we should be a force to contend with.

I get the optimism.  I also understand the caution.

 

 

[thefuzz]

Less than 6 wins and someone may lose their job, although I doubt it, if we stay somewhat healthy that is.

 

Team will likely start a little rough and come on a little later in the year.  A close to .500 record would be a good thing.  10 wins would be a great thing.

[SOJA]

Historically, we do much better with low expectations. I'm fine with this. 

[SOJA]

But got damn do I want us to win a lot of games just so these fuging smug ass bear fans will shut the fug up

[NAS]

20 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Having people try to make an exception for the Panthers going from #9 to #1 as though that means they are better than the teams that finished last, or that there were no teams like the Panthers who traded up.

Of course being at #9, they're much better than Bears, Cardinals or Texans, top to bottom from a roster perspective, even with an interim coaching staff almost won their division.  

why would it be insane to expect us to win 2-3 more games based on more competent QB play (and yes the rookie is an upgrade over Darnold and Baker), and a significantly more competent coaching staff (not just Reich but all of the assistant coaches). 

You're just being unreasonably contrarian on this one .

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

On 5/15/2023 at 9:09 PM, NAS said:

I expect 9-10 win. Anything less than a winning record is a failure 

Prepare for disappointment lol