Panthers over/under win totals

[pantherj]

11 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

1-5 in the division (possible 0-6). 4-13 overall (possible 2-15).

I know people don't want to think it, but this will be a rough season. It'll be even tougher come the 2024 draft with Caleb Williams and Drake Maye on the board. You thought the 2023 QB debate was tough?

There is some promise with the offensive staff over the next 3 to 5 years, but the trust in this front office is going to waste their coaching window.

If that happened then you'd be looking at Corral pushing for the starting spot imo.

[WhoKnows]

16 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Makes sense. We have no idea how Young will look until the season begins. 

I would put my money on ATL this year.

 

Note: I want to be wrong and it's us who wins the division.

Yep. So many predictions are based on past history, not hope or assumptions. The first blurb even says the over 7.5 wins seems like a good play but we’ve got 5 straight years of 7 wins or less. We didn’t improve our run stopping and Carr could easily outplay our rookie so the odds are what they are. It’s funny how we obsess like that other thread said and look at this as some sort of slight or insult to us when we’ve been a 5-7 win team for 5 years. It’s not a slight, it’s just math. Maybe they are teasing all the NFC South fans (minus Tampa) to get upset and bet the over because there’s little chance we all go over. Most likely 1 of the 3 will.

[mrcompletely11]

53 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Yep. So many predictions are based on past history, not hope or assumptions. The first blurb even says the over 7.5 wins seems like a good play but we’ve got 5 straight years of 7 wins or less. We didn’t improve our run stopping and Carr could easily outplay our rookie so the odds are what they are. It’s funny how we obsess like that other thread said and look at this as some sort of slight or insult to us when we’ve been a 5-7 win team for 5 years. It’s not a slight, it’s just math. Maybe they are teasing all the NFC South fans (minus Tampa) to get upset and bet the over because there’s little chance we all go over. Most likely 1 of the 3 will.

We play baker 2x and we play 2 rookies whose teams had horrendous years last season with a ton of holes on their roster who are clearly rebuilding with first time coaches.  To me thats 4 wins.

I get its the nfl but to me finding another 4 should be pretty easy.   That gets us to 8, probably not good enough for the division but breaks the 7.5 over. 

[weyco2000]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Terrible take, they were on rebuilding teams with little talent around them. Panthers picked #1 because they traded up. They would have been a playoff team last year with a decent QB play and Bryce Young is as NFL ready as any QB in history 

Yeah, all those teams were awful, a majority of them rank in the top 10 of worst teams ever… not to mention the list includes guys drafted decades ago. The Jets (Namath) were not even a NFL team and the Patriots (Plunkett) were named The Boston Patriots.

[weyco2000]

13 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think that's pretty spot on. I would say 7-10 wins are about the band I would expect to see us be. Anything less or more would be a surprised. 

It is a lot of turnover on the roster and obviously with the staff. I would say we probably shouldn't be expecting Superb Owl's in Year One.

Who’s talking Super Bowl? I’m expecting at least a 2 win improvement over last year, otherwise we are stuck in the same predicament called mediocrity. Hopefully Tepper agrees…

[Panthercougar68]

The unknown (rookie qb) scares people and Vegas so it makes sense.

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Who’s talking Super Bowl? I’m expecting at least a 2 win improvement over last year, otherwise we are stuck in the same predicament called mediocrity. Hopefully Tepper agrees…

I am sure we will get at least a few. You know that there are always a few true believers.

[Ricky Prickles]

Sucks with the extra game added I can no longer pick 8-8 to sort of walk the line down the middle when I am unsure! Now i have to either go winning season or losing. With that in mind I am going to predict 9-8 or 10-7

[shaqattaq]

17 hours ago, La Pantera said:

7.5 is fair for a rookie QB.

Damn that, I have to go over on this. We won 7 games last year in a turd tornado. Also, I'd put down a couple of hundred for us to take the NFCS at those odds. ATL is the only competition I see there.

[rebelrouser]

Desmond Ridder showed improvement last year.  I hope the Coons didn't win the '22 draft w/ a third round draft pick at qb. They will be one dimensional early w/ a lot of run game. We should hit 8 or 9. 

[shaqattaq]

12 hours ago, NAS said:

Big difference between 7 and 10

[Eric4280]

4 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

What is preposterous is saying Young has a high probability of getting to 9 wins or more. 2 to 4 wins is typical. For the amount the Panthers paid, he should have a winning season in year 1.

Peyton Manning 3 wins (failed with original coach)

John Elway 4 wins (failed with original coach)

Steve Young 1 win (failed with drafted team)

Troy Aikman 0 wins

Joe Namath 3 wins

Terry Bradshaw 3 wins

Jim Plunkett 6 wins (failed with drafted team)

Eli Manning 1 win

Matthew Stafford 2 wins (failed with drafted team)

All the SB winning QBs selected #1. Their rookie wins. Average is 2.6 wins.

Circumstances matter more than statistics. Traditionally, teams that pick qb at one overall have a ton of holes, non competitive, worst in the league talent. We are nowhere near that and I think heavily improved compared to last year. That’s why I’m honestly EXPECTING less of a grace period for success compared to others. Youngs biggest strength to me, is his brain, and that’s usually the part that needs “catching on” for the nfl game. Carr and Jessie Bates don’t make me fear these other teams all that much. Obviously anything can happen but it’s amazing to think we could be the WORST team in the league.

[Pantha-kun]

16 hours ago, ladypanther said:

This coaching staff could have gotten a few more wins out of last year's team.  I am doing the ultimate positive homer thing and saying I expect at least 10 wins.

that we be an insane finish for a new coaching staff and new rookie QB.

There's definitely at least some precedent for very early rookie QB success at least. R. Wilson, Luck, RG3, Mac Jones, Justin Herbert, Burrow, Cam. Probably some others I'm forgetting. 

I'm pretty sure Luck and RG3 both went to the playoffs in their rookie years and the both went 1 and 2 overall respectively. That was definitely an anomaly that year. Even though RG3 flamed out not long afterwards and Luck had a career cut short due to injuries eventually. They were both good right out of the gate tho and had immediate success. 

 

[weyco2000]

So, after all the bitching and moaning about QB 1 and lack of coaching by the Huddle experts, nothing has changed. Damn it we suck again and training camp has yet to begin!!