Panthers mini camp (Saturday)

[CPF4LIFE]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

That smile must be fake too eh?

So you determine people based off a smile? Doesn't sound like a good basis of judgment.

[ForJimmy]

20 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So you determine people based off a smile? Doesn't sound like a good basis of judgment.

[frankw]

19 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So you determine people based off a smile? Doesn't sound like a good basis of judgment.

It was a joking reference to the ignorant pre-draft criticism heaped on Cam Newton from Nolan Nawrocki when Cam was only 22 years old. It's meant to highlight to you the line you're teetering near in using those buzzwords to describe Bryce Young based on absolutely nothing before he has even had a chance to prove himself just as was done to Cam. If you have doubts that's one thing but be careful not to let history repeat itself just because he isn't who you wanted us to draft.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

10 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

I wanted Levis, Richardson or Stroud over Young...I hope I'm wrong, but I think Levis is going to be really, really good.

Those guys might be able to become great Qbs in their own right but I don't see them being Championship level (Sb winning) Qbs even at their best. Especially with the teams they were drafted onto. 

 

If Young puts it all together at the NFL level and proves that his size is not a detriment to his game he will be viewed as a Championship level QB and I think that's the difference.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Mr Mojo Risin

[NorthTryon]

On 5/13/2023 at 5:32 PM, CamWhoaaCam said:

Tom Brady as great as he was his game didn't really jump off the screen. He just had the great ability to win games when it mattered. He's MJ like in that regard without the flash to his game. Brady overachieved giving his skillset and I don't think any other player will ever win SB's like he did. Look at how New England fell off as soon as he left. 

Yep, Brady and Bill's preparedness plus that weak division will never be replicated for that long of a time. They had nearly 20 years of division ineptitude that almost guaranteed 5 or more wins and a division title every year. I each year maybe one team out of the four would get a win, but that was about it. Then everyone would have to go to Foxboro in January in the playoffs. 

[LinvilleGorge]

31 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

Yep, Brady and Bill's preparedness plus that weak division will never be replicated for that long of a time. They had nearly 20 years of division ineptitude that almost guaranteed 5 or more wins and a division title every year. I each year maybe one team out of the four would get a win, but that was about it. Then everyone would have to go to Foxboro in January in the playoffs. 

This was SUCH a key part of the Pats' dynasty. It's a massive competitive advantage when you have a cakewalk to the division title every year and a significant leg up on home field advantage, bye week, etc. because your division is absolutely inept year after year. 

[thefuzz]

25 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

Yep, Brady and Bill's preparedness plus that weak division will never be replicated for that long of a time. They had nearly 20 years of division ineptitude that almost guaranteed 5 or more wins and a division title every year. I each year maybe one team out of the four would get a win, but that was about it. Then everyone would have to go to Foxboro in January in the playoffs. 

Said that very thing for years.  Yes, Brady is very good.  Yes, Bill is very good.

That can be said, and also ask a simple question.

Who was the best QB not named Brady to play in the AFCE during his two decades there?  And how long did he play?

Been a while since I thought much about it, but I believe I remember it being Chad Pennington, and only for a couple years.

Thats some serious ineptitude.

[GOAT]

17 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Or maybe spoiled and entitled. 

 

14 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So you determine people based off a smile? Doesn't sound like a good basis of judgment.

woo boy...

[MechaZain]

Mahomes has great instincts but he's not a game tape and nose in the playbook sort. The Favre comparison fits; I don't consider either one "high football IQ" QBs. They never had to be because they could just force it through with their arm strength. Bryce has to overcome his lack of arm strength with prep and work ethic.

[Mr. Scot]

On 5/14/2023 at 1:21 PM, CPcavedweller said:

Mahomes is Favre if Favre had Andy Reid as a head coach. They are basically carbon copies of one another. And before you say "interceptions", Mahomes is only like 0.7% better in his TD-INT ratio.

Uuuhhh...no.

Favre always had just general vicinity accuracy and was capable of being wildly inconsistent. People loved the high velocity of his throws, but judgment wise he was easily capable of following up an "OMG" throw with a "WTF" one. Hell, Packer fans cheered when he finally learned to throw one away rather than taking a huge risk.

Mahomes is far more stable. Yes, people rave about his wild "off platform" throws but what's actually most important is that his regular throws are accurate and consistent.

Does Reid's system help? I'm sure it does because it's helped every other quarterback he's coached, but that doesn't mean Mahomes isn't talented.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[CPcavedweller]

On 5/14/2023 at 6:04 PM, csx said:

Or just creeped out by adults begging for an autograph. 

Beta move...5'10...what did we expect? He's intimidated by the fans...

[CPcavedweller]

On 5/15/2023 at 1:39 PM, Mr. Scot said:

Uuuhhh...no.

Favre always had just general vicinity accuracy and was capable of being wildly inconsistent. People loved the high velocity of his throws, but judgment wise he was easily capable of following up an "OMG" throw with a "WTF" one. Hell, Packer fans cheered when he finally learned to throw one away rather than taking a huge risk.

Mahomes is far more stable. Yes, people rave about his wild "off platform" throws but what's actually most important is that his regular throws are accurate and consistent.

Does Reid's system help? I'm sure it does because it's helped every other quarterback he's coached, but that doesn't mean Mahomes isn't talented.

Go watch games from both, back to back. Or highlights. Or whatever. Favre won three MVP's, back-to-back-to-back. When Mahomes does that, you can @ me. 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Go watch games from both, back to back. Or highlights. Or whatever. Favre won three MVP's, back-to-back-to-back. When Mahomes does that, you can @ me. 

Mahomes already has 2 Super Bowl wins and didn't try to defraud a state's welfare system.  When Favre does that you can @ me.  Oh and Mahomes is only 27....

[CPcavedweller]

46 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Mahomes already has 2 Super Bowl wins and didn't try to defraud a state's welfare system.  When Favre does that you can @ me.  Oh and Mahomes is only 27....

Give Mahomes a chance, he still has time to defraud people. As for Super Bowls, there is quite the difference between what Favre was able to do in the 90's versus Mahomes today. Put Favre in today's game, with the guardrails up and a seasoned Andy Reid and you'd get the same result.

Favre is on Mount Rushmore. Mahomes is still on his way to South Dakota.