The Anti-tankers…. Never forget!!!!

[Gerry Green]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Because we're the most important part of the equation. Nothing and no one else matters. They're all just fantasy players and coaches.

 

It's funny because it's true. It's also kinda sad because it's true.

 

It's twue, it's twue. lol

[Pantherxtreme]

21 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

We beat the Bucs- we win the division, get a 20th pick instead of 9, out of contention for the #1 pick, likely retain Wilks and a cut rate coaching staff and get embarrassed by Dallas in the playoffs. This off-season we’d be excited about signing a Jimmy G / Derek Carr kind of QB #vomit

 

We take the L… we get the #9 pick, new coaching staff that turns out to be on paper quite possibly the best staff Tepper’s wallet can get, we trade draft capital and get the #1 pick, get aggressive in FA and suddenly things look optimistic after 5 years of dire

 

Had we taken more L’s… we’d likely be sitting at 4 or 5, could have still gotten the #1 pick but it would likely not cost us DJ Moore

 

Sometimes you have to think long term health of the franchise and had we racked up more pointless wins last year we wouldn’t be enjoying the position this team is finally in

I hear ya brother, but Hindsight is 2020.

Once you get into the dance anything can happen, but you won't know unless you're in it to begin with. 

There's no guarantee we get Bryce Young. We got lucky that the team in the top spot Chicago had just selected a young Qb the previous season; Houston doesn't budge from that spot. 

As far as coaching staff and free agency that falls on the owner and GM to find the best available guys to make the franchise a winner. If Wilkes had gotten us into the palyoffs after the disastrous start of the season he deserved the job.

You can't argue results nevertheless they couldn't get past an ailing Bucs team with Tom Brady having one foot out the door. So we went out and hopefully got an even better staff. 

Flashy picks like Cam, or journeymen qbs like Delhomme, at the end of the day its about wins and who can produce. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I'm good with how everything has gone so far. This is the first season since the beginning of 2019 that I've looked forward to Panther Football. Best of luck to Tepper, this team and staff, and most of all to Bryce Young. Hopefully he's just as electrifying as the last QB we drafted #1 overall. This fanbase needs that type of energy again.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Mr Mojo Risin

[Jacabee]

This premise conveniently overlooks the benefits of not quitting mid-season. Do we attract the same level of coaches? Do we attract the same level of free agents? Do we have as good an evaluation on the existing roster? At minimum, the o-line seemed to gel into a unit with dominant potential as the season wore on. Does that happen without a competitive season? 

There’s a value to morale, and this team went from an unfocused clusterfug to a limited, but sound team by the end of the year. Those sound building blocks gave the front office the confidence to go and get their guy. Whether it pans out is fate but finishing the season strong enabled the staff to make the move they did and bring their guy into the best situation possible. 

[JVic]

The only result anyone should care about is Matt Rhule isn't here anymore.  I don't care if Bryce Young turns into Vince Young.  Not having Rhule anywhere near this franchise is an automatic improvement.  

[AceBoogie]

I was pro tank. And I can tell you given the result, I change my stance. You absolutely try to win the division with it being wide open. We still ended up with the #1 pick even if we had to give up resources to get it. 

[Varking]

Didn’t the Eagles do just that a couple years ago? Bench some of their starters in the final week to see what their other players had? 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, Varking said:

Didn’t the Eagles do just that a couple years ago? Bench some of their starters in the final week to see what their other players had? 

Yeah it led to Pederson getting fired, which worked out well for the Jags. Also the Eagles were lucky and landed another great HC.

[Varking]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah it led to Pederson getting fired, which worked out well for the Jags. Also the Eagles were lucky and landed another great HC.

I agree. It worked out for both organizations. I was just pointing that recent example out for those claiming tanking never happens. And without needing to say it the Colts did it by hiring a coach who has never coached at any level before… They were clearly just hoping to remain in the running for a top pick. 

[ForJimmy]

21 minutes ago, Varking said:

I agree. It worked out for both organizations. I was just pointing that recent example out for those claiming tanking never happens. And without needing to say it the Colts did it by hiring a coach who has never coached at any level before… They were clearly just hoping to remain in the running for a top pick. 

Yeah the Colts did it when they made Reich bench Ryan for Ehlinger. They were 3-3-1 before all of that poo went down. The Saturday as HC was just icing on the cake to ensure they got a top pick. 

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, Jacabee said:

This premise conveniently overlooks the benefits of not quitting mid-season. Do we attract the same level of coaches? Do we attract the same level of free agents? Do we have as good an evaluation on the existing roster? At minimum, the o-line seemed to gel into a unit with dominant potential as the season wore on. Does that happen without a competitive season? 

There’s a value to morale, and this team went from an unfocused clusterfug to a limited, but sound team by the end of the year. Those sound building blocks gave the front office the confidence to go and get their guy. Whether it pans out is fate but finishing the season strong enabled the staff to make the move they did and bring their guy into the best situation possible. 

Excellent question. Who wants to play or coach for a team that chooses to lose? For any reason. You choose to lose and you end up a losing team in more ways than one. You choose to do that and you deserve to stay at the bottom of the barrel and more than likely that's where you stay.

And that's no team I'm going to support either. You may say that's not being a good fan, but fans that want theyr team to lose are horrible for a teans morale and, imo, is the worst kind of fan a team could have.

[csx]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

Didn’t the Eagles do just that a couple years ago? Bench some of their starters in the final week to see what their other players had? 

And players around the league were rather pissed 

[csx]

How All Pros think about it. You can disagree but you can't dismiss it

 

[Stuart Smith]

On 5/6/2023 at 7:14 PM, TheBigKat said:

We beat the Bucs- we win the division, get a 20th pick instead of 9, out of contention for the #1 pick, likely retain Wilks and a cut rate coaching staff and get embarrassed by Dallas in the playoffs. This off-season we’d be excited about signing a Jimmy G / Derek Carr kind of QB #vomit

 

We take the L… we get the #9 pick, new coaching staff that turns out to be on paper quite possibly the best staff Tepper’s wallet can get, we trade draft capital and get the #1 pick, get aggressive in FA and suddenly things look optimistic after 5 years of dire

 

Had we taken more L’s… we’d likely be sitting at 4 or 5, could have still gotten the #1 pick but it would likely not cost us DJ Moore

 

Sometimes you have to think long term health of the franchise and had we racked up more pointless wins last year we wouldn’t be enjoying the position this team is finally in

You are making a lot of assumptions. No one knows for 100% if Wilkes would have been retained even if the Panthers would have beat Tampa. We also don’t know if Tepper would have given the green light to trade up in the draft. A lot of unknowns.