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[KillerKat]

3 hours ago, hsfolk said:

 

Only has 3 All pro selections, only 1 of those are 1st team. No where near HOF material.

[Ricky Spanish]

50 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Only has 3 All pro selections, only 1 of those are 1st team. No where near HOF material.

He also was a 2010's All decade selection and only 15 sacks shy of getting 130 for his career (The magic number for HOF level career sacks). He's also one of, if not the, best run stopping defensive ends since he came into the league. 

He's closer to the HOF than you think.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

Also, regarding Trey Lance - A stat that blew my mind:

Tom Brady threw more passes last season (799) than Trey Lance has thrown in his HS, College, and Pro Career COMBINED (798).

 

[Pup McBarky]

22 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

He also was a 2010's All decade selection and only 15 sacks shy of getting 130 for his career (The magic number for HOF level career sacks). He's also one of, if not the, best run stopping defensive ends since he came into the league. 

He's closer to the HOF than you think.

 

Agreed. Is he a first ballot guy? No. Will he eventually go in? More than likely.

[Tbe]

4 hours ago, Pup McBarky said:

Is that Colt?

 

It’s Colt. Wilson is the CB ducking instead of catching the ball.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Also, regarding Trey Lance - A stat that blew my mind:

Tom Brady threw more passes last season (799) than Trey Lance has thrown in his HS, College, and Pro Career COMBINED (798).

 

It blew my mind watching the Niners trade so much value to take a guy that was so inexperienced.

[App Panther]

Sounds like the Falcons may have just lost Okudah. Carted off with knee injury today. If I remember right he's been hurt a bit since being drafted. 

[Sgt Schultz]

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It blew my mind watching the Niners trade so much value to take a guy that was so inexperienced.

We've seen teams draft guys you knew would bust in the top 3-5.  We've seen teams draft guys that everybody thought were sure-fire hits that high, and have them miss.  We've seen teams reach for guys in the top 5. 

What set this apart was that they traded up at a king's ransom price to do so to then reach for him.  Everybody knew he was going to take time to develop because of his inexperience, and there was no body of work to indicate he would develop, let alone pay off to the tune of what they paid to draft him.

I get it, he was "their guy," they believed they could mold him, and they didn't think he would stay on the board much longer, but sometimes getting "your guy" is the worst thing that can happen. 

People may think that trading up for Young was just as big a risk, but Young has a body of work to judge his potential by.  Lance was basically a "good guess."

[ladypanther]

Broncos site hating on Hackett:

Well, on Thursday, during the Hall of Fame game, Nathaniel Hackett and his Jets' offense put up 16 points, which I think is hilarious. Yes, it's the Hall of Fame game. It's just a preseason game, and most starters aren't even suiting up. There is absolutely no indication that the Jets scoring 16 points in this game is going to spill into the regular season.

However, it is kind of funny to see. In Hackett's first game post-Broncos, his offense couldn't score 20 points. I do think it would be quite funny to see the Jets struggle on offense like that in the regular season. Maybe Aaron Rodgers is indeed over the hump a bit. Maybe Nathaniel Hackett isn't the best play-caller in the world.

Only time will tell.

https://predominantlyorange.com/posts/some-things-never-change-nathaniel-hackett-offense-still-scoring-16-points

Stupid comment for a preseason game. Hope the Jets' O scorches the Broncos' D in week 5.

[Sgt Schultz]

6 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Broncos site hating on Hackett:

Well, on Thursday, during the Hall of Fame game, Nathaniel Hackett and his Jets' offense put up 16 points, which I think is hilarious. Yes, it's the Hall of Fame game. It's just a preseason game, and most starters aren't even suiting up. There is absolutely no indication that the Jets scoring 16 points in this game is going to spill into the regular season.

However, it is kind of funny to see. In Hackett's first game post-Broncos, his offense couldn't score 20 points. I do think it would be quite funny to see the Jets struggle on offense like that in the regular season. Maybe Aaron Rodgers is indeed over the hump a bit. Maybe Nathaniel Hackett isn't the best play-caller in the world.

Only time will tell.

https://predominantlyorange.com/posts/some-things-never-change-nathaniel-hackett-offense-still-scoring-16-points

Stupid comment for a preseason game. Hope the Jets' O scorches the Broncos' D in week 5.

Yep.  Equating much of any offensive output in the Hall of Fame game with what will happen in the regular season is a useless exercise.  I'm not sold on the Jets and Rodgers, either, but assessing Hackett's play calling based on that game or even using it to validate his futile effort in Denver is, well, stupid.

It is about like us piling on The Process based on a lousy scrimmage in Lincoln, NE.  While I would like to pile on him, that wouldn't be the ammo I would use.

[LinvilleGorge]

The Jets' D with competent QB play could make noise but damn, that conference is so stacked. They're gonna need the MVP version of Rodgers to be a true contender and I'm just not sure that guy still exists with him knocking on the door of 40.

[csx]

21 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Broncos site hating on Hackett:

Well, on Thursday, during the Hall of Fame game, Nathaniel Hackett and his Jets' offense put up 16 points, which I think is hilarious. Yes, it's the Hall of Fame game. It's just a preseason game, and most starters aren't even suiting up. There is absolutely no indication that the Jets scoring 16 points in this game is going to spill into the regular season.

However, it is kind of funny to see. In Hackett's first game post-Broncos, his offense couldn't score 20 points. I do think it would be quite funny to see the Jets struggle on offense like that in the regular season. Maybe Aaron Rodgers is indeed over the hump a bit. Maybe Nathaniel Hackett isn't the best play-caller in the world.

Only time will tell.

https://predominantlyorange.com/posts/some-things-never-change-nathaniel-hackett-offense-still-scoring-16-points

Stupid comment for a preseason game. Hope the Jets' O scorches the Broncos' D in week 5.

Definitely stupid considering the Jets didn't play any starters at skill positions......if at all on offense 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

We've seen teams draft guys you knew would bust in the top 3-5.  We've seen teams draft guys that everybody thought were sure-fire hits that high, and have them miss.  We've seen teams reach for guys in the top 5. 

What set this apart was that they traded up at a king's ransom price to do so to then reach for him.  Everybody knew he was going to take time to develop because of his inexperience, and there was no body of work to indicate he would develop, let alone pay off to the tune of what they paid to draft him.

I get it, he was "their guy," they believed they could mold him, and they didn't think he would stay on the board much longer, but sometimes getting "your guy" is the worst thing that can happen. 

People may think that trading up for Young was just as big a risk, but Young has a body of work to judge his potential by.  Lance was basically a "good guess."

Lance was way riskier IMO. I'd rather roll the dice on a guy who is historically small but has shown the ability to play at an extremely high level at the highest level of football outside of the NFL vs. a guy who has great physical tools but only one year of playing at a D1AA program.

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm worried for my guy Sam Howell. All the talk out of Washington's camp is that the OL looks atrocious. Evidently the interior OL is just a straight up sieve.