Official UDFA thread

[jayboogieman]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

We don’t have a first.

Then it'll be time to have more convention and trade up. Bower, like Harrison Jr, is a game changer. As long as injuries don't sideline either of them, the juice is worth the squeeze

[trucpfan]

1 hour ago, 96Bravo said:

I think we'll find Hurst to be very good. He was effective in the playoffs for Cincy...especially in snowy Buffalo.

I agree completely 

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

The talent at TE was better than WR this draft.  Desperate for a DJ replacement, the brass made a rash decision.  The WR class next year is looking good. Should have gone Edge and TE or vise versa. 

 

 

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Fine...as in ok, mediocre, so-so?  I couldn't agree more.  Hurst is a #2 on most teams, Thomas will struggle to find work after the Panthers finally ditch him and Tremble is a #3.  Lol, you mentioned Sullivan as if he mattered.  Don't forget about Ricci!

I understand your logic and won’t even argue that I think he’s better then you’re giving credit for but do you think a rookie TE would have had more of an impact this season then Hurst? Do you think we should have drafted and played a rookie over him and how do you view Mingo as a AJ Brown type or a jag? Because that matters I seem to see him as a young Deebo S type of  wr I can’t see a rookie TE having more of an impact then Mingo is going to have this season 

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Only started more than 10 games once and only one 500+ yard season.   Going into year six and already on his 4th team.  Only target more than 40 times in two seasons; the other three seasons averaged two targets per game.

What part of any of that screams #1 TE?  It's sad that our TE room is so bad people think Hurst is a legit #1 TE.  I mean, he's definitely the  #1 TE on our team, but that's like saying a person with the highest grade in remedial studies is actually smart.

Easily you need to change your view of a TE #1 depending on the offense he’s in.. He didn’t play in 1 offense in his career where he was the number 1 option so why are you looking for Olsen, Klece, or Andrew’s numbers.. Also while you’re looking at stats show his targets his drop % his blocking grades stuff we need from a TE 1 on this team..

He was brought here to be a safety blanket for a rookie ..Something he has been proven to do.. If you’re looking for a upside guy that’s Tremble.. But our rookie needs at least 3 competent targets he can depend on Hurst, Thelien, and Sanders were brought here to be that..

Edited April 30, 2023 by WOW!!

[45catfan]

41 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

I agree completely 

 

I understand your logic and won’t even argue that I think he’s better then you’re giving credit for but do you think a rookie TE would have had more of an impact this season then Hurst? Do you think we should have drafted and played a rookie over him and how do you view Mingo as a AJ Brown type or a jag? Because that matters I seem to see him as a young Deebo S type of  wr I can’t see a rookie TE having more of an impact then Mingo is going to have this season 

If Hurst plays all 17 games, I say he'll have 3-5 TDs and 400-500 yards.  That's decent production, but put a TRUE #1 TE in that spot, those numbers double.  I get it, he's a stop gap, but it would have been better to draft a guy this year and get his feet wet working with Hurst.  Hopefully we address this issue next draft.

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

 

Time to start pushing for  in next year's draft.

He'll be looooooong gone by the time we pick in the second round.

[jayboogieman]

11 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

He'll be looooooong gone by the time we pick in the second round.

Already addressed that:

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

Then it'll be time to have more convention and trade up. Bower, like Harrison Jr, is a game changer. As long as injuries don't sideline either of them, the juice is worth the squeeze

 

[96Bravo]

Hurst's number were comparable to Ertz and Waller last year. And I get the feeling Burrow prefers relying on his WRs more...especially with Chase and Higgins both getting over a thousand yards each. Even Tyler Boyd had over 700 yards.

[poundaway]

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[TheSpecialJuan]

6 minutes ago, poundaway said:

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Rejzohn-Wright-DB-OregonState

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Eku-Leota-DL-Northwestern

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jalen-Redmond-DL-Oklahoma

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Bumper-Pool-LB-Arkansas

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Josh-Vann-WR-SouthCarolina

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Camerun-Peoples-RB-AppalachianState

dope website 

[TheSpecialJuan]

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Just now, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

Coaching staff clearly likes him and thinks he can make the team

was a 30 visit guy 

[TheSpecialJuan]

 

[Jackie Lee]

32 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

Interesting. Watching his highlights I wouldn't be surprised if he gives YGM some trouble in camp. Looks good against the run, looks slower than ideal when rushing but seems to get good pressure at least

 

[tukafan21]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

We don’t have a first.

I am very much of the mindset that we should and in the end, will, trade our 2025 First to get into the 2024 First round to get WR or TE when one worthy of it starts to slide.

We have a very good base in place now, and if Bryce turns into the QB the team expects him to, that 2025 pick should be expected to fall in the 25-32 range as that would mean making it to the second round of the playoffs (which is what generally happens in the 2nd year of the top rookie QB's who are meant to be "the next thing").

If that's the case and a pass catching option falls to the 15th-ish or later spot, trading the 2025 First along with other picks as necessary makes the most sense.  

If Young pans out as the team hopes, our best Super Bowl window starts in 2024 and is realistically most open for 3 seasons while he is still getting his rookie cap hit numbers, as once he signs that new deal, year 5 has a much higher cap hit.  Short of Top 5 WR draft picks, even Elite WRs are still #2's in their rookie year and blow up in that second season. 

We can't wait until that second year of the key 3 year window to draft our WR, we need them to grow with Young in that first year so they are hitting their strides in year 2 and 3 of the window.

That means our 2025 first round pick must be used next offseason to acquire a true #1 WR, even if it means trading for another player which I'd be fine with if someone is worth it.

Now if TMJ or Mingo absolutely blow up this year and show that true #1 potential, it changes things, but I think we still should be using that 2025 First in a trade in someway next offseason.

Edited April 30, 2023 by tukafan21