Any gun collectors?

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Cullenator said:

Im not disagreeing but I will say the devil is in the details.

For assault rifles the lower receiver is considered by law the "gun".  Its the part that is regulated and must have a serial number.  Its the part that if you buy an 80% and finish it yourself or 3D print that makes your weapon a "ghost gun".

One of its primary functions is of course the port for the detachable magazine along side of being the trigger housing and the central part most other parts attach to.

If you mandate that all future lowers have a fixed magazine it veers off into the whole banning assault rifles which is what I was trying to get LG to understand earlier, as you are fundamentally changing the "gun" part of the weapon.

Legislation for both situations is well within reason. The ghost guns thing is a bigger problem than anyone is really ready to admit and could turn any, and I mean any, firearms legislation into a crazy tipping point much like Prohibition had the inadvertent effect of creating organized crime through the growth of bootlegging alcohol. Ghost guns and the tool and die shops that could create them puts everything on its head.

Still, I'm very much in favor of a requirement that all newly sold firearms have a permanent, integral five-round magazine for all long guns. All guns can kill in the wrong hands, but what makes for the type of mass shooting nightmares we've been having is the capability of large initial ammo capacity coupled with the ability to quick change magazines.

What about the millions of guns already out there that have detachable magazines or have larger internal capacity (pretty much any .22 LR rifle)? I hate to say it, but they just have to exist out there and allow those who own them to continue to do so. The overwhelming majority of those owners pose no threat to the public anyway. You would just have to prevent the sale of such firearms (without say the federal firearms license and registration currently required for military-type automatic weapons and other large ordinance pieces), perhaps allowing for legal inheritance of the firearms within a nuclear family.

It's possible for everyone to walk away from this with a better situation on our hands than what we are looking at. I think everyone can see that without some changes, things are going to get worse for everyone involved... and that could be you or I on the day we chose to go shopping when we should have stayed home.

[Cullenator]

Yes the ghost gun situation is a different beast for a different conversation.

Im on board with fixed 5 round magazines.  Im also in agreement that most if not all weapons would need to have a grandfathering process where current owners would have to do some paperwork but in only the most egregious cases of criminal or mental history would they need to surrender them/offer them for "buy back" programs.  Then with the type of strict enforcement that comes with NFA covered weapons and devices you work through weeding out those that didn't follow the law and get those weapons off the streets/out of gun safes.

The upside to classifying the weapons as a Title II weapon classification is that with the proper paperwork and background checks (performed by ATF) you could still purchase the weapons and yes even inherit the weapon.  Improperly documented weapons or individuals that cant/don't want to pass the vetting process during the disbursement of an estate would result in seizure of the weapon which is exactly going to happen (the latter - my kid has no desire to own it) with a weapon when I pass.

[Ricky Prickles]

On 4/30/2023 at 5:34 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

According to the TB I'm a "gun but" but I don't own a single firearm that would come close to qualifying for any sort of "assault rifle" ban and I only own one handgun. But I'm a "gun nut".

Bolt action rifles and antique lever guns are my jam but I don't "collect" bolt guns. I use them. They're tools. The Remington 700 .308 that my Dad gave me when I moved to CO that he bought when he turned 18 is the only bolt gun I own that I'll definitely never part with.

I have two original Winchester Model 1873s and two 1892s. I have about $60k worth of antique firearms. All inherited. None fancy. All just average Joe shooters but they appraise high because they're all original and in great condition.

Historical firearms are very cool! Maybe post up some pictures?

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Historical firearms are very cool! Maybe post up some pictures?

My 1873 is the only (bad) pics on my phone

 

 

[Ricky Prickles]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My 1873 is the only (bad) pics on my phone

 

 

Very nice and very cool! Thank you for sharing! Man, if it could only talk can you imagine the stories it could tell! It basically survived the wild West!

[jasonluckydog]

3 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I have a question for gun collectors...

 

What is the purpose of collecting all these guns?

 

Also why do people abuse having gun ownership?

 

I have this neighbor and all he does is let his kids shoot loud guns and disturb the peace. There is no doubt in my mind over the past 10+ years I have lived here there is no doubt he has wasted a good amount of bullets just shooting for fun. People have kids in the neighborhood and all they want to do is waste bullets.

 

A family literally lost their lives because they confronted a neighbor who was shooting for fun. Why are people so dumb when it comes to guns? The purpose of a gun is to protect yourself and your property. Some people use guns just to disturb the peace and they think it makes them look tough.smh

A firearm is a piece of art and recreation. The investment in the gun will hold value depending on how well you take care of it. Watching my grandfather when I was growing up in Kentucky on his tobacco farm he didn't trust banks he bought gold coins and guns as a savings account. If he ever needed cash he would take a couple of guns in town. 

 

 

 

[Cullenator]

On 5/11/2023 at 12:15 PM, Ricky Prickles said:

Historical firearms are very cool! Maybe post up some pictures?

Not quite as old as LGs long gun but its the oldest one I own. S&W .32 Long CTG - based on the serial number from the early to mid 1920s. Still fires like a champ but those .32 rounds are dirty as hell and your knuckles get pretty nasty after a couple of reloads.

Was my wife's grandfathers gun and he carried it regularly.  He was a Baptist Minister 'down east"

[Ricky Prickles]

13 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

A piece of art that some people abuse. People shouldn't be allowed to shoot guns on their property just for fun. A bullet has no name on it. How are people in the neighborhood supposed to know if they are getting shot at or if it's just the neighbor acting a fool again.

 

I hear gunshots all time of day and night. People shoot at nothing and they only shoot to disturb the peace.

 

I never liked guns. Why would I want to play with something that can kill you. Just never made sense. The only reason you should own a gun is to protect your property from intruders. Other than that you shouldn't use it unless you go to a gun range. Shooting in your yard is just plain stupid and you have no respect for your neighbors and their families.

 

 

I agree with what you are saying to a degree and see where you are coming from. People in small neighborhoods should definitely not be going out in their backyard and shooting away with guns due to the proximity of houses and stray bullets. If they are not in little neighborhood subdivisions then I see nothing wrong with it if there is no danger around of some other house or random person being hit.

Im not an avid gun collector as it sounds like you are not either but many things can kill you that we own if used poorly with bad judgement. I feel like if no neighbors around people should be able to shoot guns on their property but most definitely not in small neighborhood subdivisions and if i'm not mistaken there are probably ordinances that state this or at bare minimum HOA's that have a problem with it. I havent had anyone shoot guns in my neighborhood as its just too small with houses too close but we have a guy who used to live behind me that would randomly start shooting off huge fireworks at any given night in the dead middle of the night including 2am-6am. I remember going outside and screaming at him to stop shooting that crap off as everyone is trying to sleep. He promptly responded with "He can do whatever he likes to do". I knew this wasnt true so I just called the police and they came over and fined him and yelled at him. If someone was shooting a gun in the neighborhood that would be way more serious, dangerous and ridiculous and would have zero issues just calling the police to shut that down immediately.

 

 

[Ricky Prickles]

15 hours ago, Cullenator said:

Not quite as old as LGs long gun but its the oldest one I own. S&W .32 Long CTG - based on the serial number from the early to mid 1920s. Still fires like a champ but those .32 rounds are dirty as hell and your knuckles get pretty nasty after a couple of reloads.

Was my wife's grandfathers gun and he carried it regularly.  He was a Baptist Minister 'down east"

Very cool, thanks for sharing as well! Story behind it being kept in the family makes it sentimental also!

[Ricky Prickles]

19 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I have a question for gun collectors...

 

What is the purpose of collecting all these guns?

 

Also why do people abuse having gun ownership?

 

I have this neighbor and all he does is let his kids shoot loud guns and disturb the peace. There is no doubt in my mind over the past 10+ years I have lived here there is no doubt he has wasted a good amount of bullets just shooting for fun. People have kids in the neighborhood and all they want to do is waste bullets.

 

A family literally lost their lives because they confronted a neighbor who was shooting for fun. Why are people so dumb when it comes to guns. The purpose of a gun is to protect yourself and your property. Some people use guns just to disturb the peace and they think it makes them look tough.smh

Not everyone abuses having gun ownership much like not everyone abuses ownings cars or motorcycles or computers. They can all be used for bad if in the hands of an idiot. IF in the hands of someone who is responsible and not into disturbing or hurting society around them all items can be owned and not a soul on earth is ever harmed.

[Ricky Prickles]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The thing is we live in the country backwoods. There are plenty of open fields in the area. As a matter of fact there is a deer hunting path not even a half a mile down the road from where they live. So much open space yet they choose to shoot guns right next to their house.

 

Those are the kind of people that I worry about. They have no respect for others around them. They treat guns like a sport. Kind of sad because they never go anywhere. They shoot guns and sit home all day and ride 4 wheelers all around the neighborhood.

Oh okay I think I know the type. I frequently refer to them as A** Holes. Morons who have PLENTY of open area to safely shoot guns and play yet they choose to be a burden on everyone around them while also putting others in jeopardy. Call the police on their asses and report them so they can come out and have a talk with them.

[Ricky Prickles]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Well considering people die everyday from guns I think there is a lot more idiots then you realize.

Oh heck yes I do agree with you. We may have gone back and forth bickering on another thread pointlessly but you and me are on same page. So many idiots and so many dangerous people to themselves as well as others out there. Makes me worry for my own family's safety at times.

[KatsAzz]

I am a long time owner of a conceal and carry permit and have two 9mm Glock handguns and one Ruger .380. 

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

I am a long time owner of a conceal and carry permit and have two 9mm Glock handguns and one Ruger .380. 

What does your husband carry?