Mike Kaye explains DJ Johnson pick

[Black&BlueBubba]

Well.  I guess we will see what Tem Lukabu our outside LB can do to get him up to speed.  
 

I think our reactions are conditioned from our past.  For too long we haven’t developed players.  This is a new age.  I will give the coaching staff and this player the benefit of the doubt.  
 

He does have the traits and does have a 80 inch wing span.  So setting the edge with power could be an easier thing to get him started with while he develops.  

Edited April 29, 2023 by Black&BlueBubba

[top dawg]

I'll take the upside of Mingo (and Johnson)  All  Day  Long.  

[Tbe]

NFL coaches drive me nuts with this kind of thing. They all think they can develop guys who have have ‘traits’ but have shown nothing on the field, but it almost never happens.

Yeah, you can take a raw talent like James Bradberry and coach him into a starter, but that requires giving the guy lots of playing time.

For the most part, that doesn’t happen in the NFL. Guys don’t play unless they’re good, but they can’t get good unless they play.

Given his age and college production, I don’t see how this guy suddenly turns into a good pro.

[Pazhoosier89]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

NFL coaches drive me nuts with this kind of thing. They all think they can develop guys who have have ‘traits’ but have shown nothing on the field, but it almost never happens.

Yeah, you can take a raw talent like James Bradberry and coach him into a starter, but that requires giving the guy lots of playing time.

For the most part, that doesn’t happen in the NFL. Guys don’t play unless they’re good, but they can’t get good unless they play.

Given his age and college production, I don’t see how this guy suddenly turns into a good pro.

Looking at his highlights he played TE in 21. He hasn't played the position much and he has the physical tools the coaches think they can coach up. We do need an edge that can stop the run and that's a strength of his.

[LinvilleGorge]

So... pure desperation is what I gather? That always leads to good decisions.

Most of these guys who bounce around positions - particularly from one side of the ball to the other - are typically great athletes who simply aren't good football players. It's just coaches trying to figure out some way to use this gifted athlete and nothing is clicking. There are exceptions but those guys are indeed the exception and not the rule.

[rayzor]

Agreed we were better off focusing on offense. Honestly we probably should have oe offense with the 3rd. Might have had better value there.

Because of the run on pass rushers, they'll be more vet FAs to hit the market. Just load up on vets.

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

80. Carolina Panthers: D.J. Johnson, Edge, Oregon

This could qualify as a reach for the Panthers, who traded up for Johnson. The No. 21-ranked edge rusher graded as a fifth-rounder by Brugler, Johnson (6-4, 260) was an elite performer at the combine. He ran a 4.49 40 and his wingspan measured 80 inches.

At Oregon, Johnson played outside linebacker and tight end until the 2022 season when had six sacks. He had 39 tackles last year as an honorable mention selection. He’s athletic but unrefined. It’s a reach at this point of the draft.

Grade: D+

This was a bad bad panic move by Fitt.  Really fuging stupid move

[mrcompletely11]

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So... pure desperation is what I gather? That always leads to good decisions.

Most of these guys who bounce around positions - particularly from one side of the ball to the other - are typically great athletes who simply aren't good football players. It's just coaches trying to figure out some way to use this gifted athlete and nothing is clicking. There are exceptions but those guys are indeed the exception and not the rule.

With all the talent still left on the board, just bite the bullet and admit the wr gamble fuged you in the pursuit of a de and go in a different direction.  Life to fight another day and all that.   Why go all panicky pete and not only reach but give away assets to go after a mid 20's developmental guy?  I thought we literally just drafted one of those last year

[Smithers]

2 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

When's the last time we drafted a pass rusher after R1 that was actually a good starter?

Charles Johnson, mike Rucker, Greg hardy, kk short.  Barno last year looks promising 

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Agreed we were better off focusing on offense. Honestly we probably should have oe offense with the 3rd. Might have had better value there.

Because of the run on pass rushers, they'll be more vet FAs to hit the market. Just load up on vets.

Disagree. Our defense is not that good and not that talented AND are switching schemes completely. Yes a defensive coach was able to make them play above their level last year. Yes, we do have some good or even great players, I’m talking as a unit, we just have not been stalwart.

 

Since we are in stage one of a rebuild, we need to get a few guys, that our FO think are good, that hopefully are actually good and we can build off of. Especially since we don’t have a round one pick next year(correct me if I’m wrong with the trades and all that). We need to get away from putting second and third stringers in starter spots on defense. 

[Harbingers]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This was a bad bad panic move by Fitt.  Really fuging stupid move

Why, we know that player wasn’t going to drop to us, if there’s one thing we know about Fitts he’s going to go after the guy the coaches want. 

[tecc86]

Normally Id be worried about taking people that need to be coached up, but considering the staff Reich has built I trust them to coach up anyone that needs it.

People always looking to call someone a reach or a steal 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Charles Johnson, mike Rucker, Greg hardy, kk short.  Barno last year looks promising 

Not by us, but Kevin Greene was drafted in the fifth 

[Mr. Scot]

When it comes to where or how guys were picked, I generally only carry around enough "give a sh-t" to last through draft weekend. It only comes back if they don't work out.

If Johnson turns out to be a good player, I'll never care again.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Mr. Scot