E.Brown evaluation....

[frash.exe]

Interested how you would have gone about replacing Pep?

You later mentioned free agency, who were you thinking of? If not, would you rather we take the most promising 4-3 DE in reach and give him a year to grow this year, or wait till next year and be forced to throw him into the starting line up?

This is a genuine question. I am just intruiged how you would have gone about it. I personally think that the FO drafted Brown to replace either Pep or Brayton. They were looking at having continuity, rather than having a year of drop off from the DE position. After all, in this scheme the front four is the most important part to the D.

you make it sound like it's that hard. he's been nearly non-existent in plenty of games this year.

[Urrymonster]

you make it sound like it's that hard. he's been nearly non-existent in plenty of games this year.

Then who would you have replaced him with?

My point is that good FOs will draft the postions that need a few years to groom in advance. So that is why I agree with picking up Brown.

[micnificent28]

i like the kid he has a alot of pass rush moves u dont see out of rooks at de. he seems like he doesnt give up relentless,but i d like to give him another season with his hand in the ground. if im not getting 8 sacks out him next season i d like to see him move to lb. prob in a 3-4. he has tons of upside tho.

[Razzy]

He hasn't received much playing time, I usually only see him in there on 3rd and longs. Brown will get better with time, I'm sure that in 2 years he'll be a better than average DE. If he can get bigger & stronger and keep his speed, he could become something special.

[frash.exe]

Then who would you have replaced him with?

you know this really sounds like you're trying to play the "what's your solution" game, and then you're going to go at length to try and justify why giving up a valuable first round pick this year for a player about 30 other teams didn't care enough about to select him with their first chance and whom hasn't made much of a ripple is a better idea than grabbing a free agent such as Chris Canty, assuming Everette Brown is destined to grow into some inpenetrable force on the defensive line in the coming years.

[mmmbeans]

you know this really sounds like you're trying to play the "what's your solution" game, and then you're going to go at length to try and justify why giving up a valuable first round pick this year for a player about 30 other teams didn't care enough about to select him with their first chance and whom hasn't made much of a ripple is a better idea than grabbing a free agent such as Chris Canty, assuming Everette Brown is destined to grow into some inpenetrable force on the defensive line in the coming years.

Chris Canty? If we had canty he'd probably be the 3-tech. Dunno if his 3 sacks a year is gonna cover it either.

[frash.exe]

Chris Canty? If we had canty he'd probably be the 3-tech. Dunno if his 3 sacks a year is gonna cover it either.

judging a career 3-4 DE's performance with sacks? Why didn't i think of that

[monstercat]

The question is, if Cowher ends up coaching this team next year, will Brown be a good OLB?

[outlaw4]

After how the Mario Williams pick was laughed upon the first year only to show that he was indeed a good player, it's too early to evaluate at this point.

The way I understood the move, it was for him to replace Pep in case he decided not to sign the tag (which he didn't do until June). The fact that he did sign and is getting the opportunity to get some reps and learn from him is a bonus.

[mmmbeans]

judging a career 3-4 DE's performance with sacks? Why didn't i think of that

cause you were too busy thinking about replacing peppers with a 300lb 3-4 DE?

[frash.exe]

cause you were too busy thinking about replacing peppers with a 300lb 3-4 DE?

lol while supporting the idea to replace peppers with a midget DE whose ideal fit at the pro level would be at OLB.

[monstercat]

lol while supporting the idea to replace peppers with a midget DE whose ideal fit at the pro level would be at OLB.

Yeah, that's almost as crazy as thinking that a midget WR could ever be the best play maker on the team.

[Davidson Deac II]

usually when you trade a future first round pick in a present draft, you're trying to get someone who can make an immediate impact for you (unless it's for a QB).

i'm sorry but Brown hasn't provided that.

Thats almost never true with a DE. Very few of them ever have good first years. If you draft a rookie DE expecting him to have a significant impact in the first season, there is a 99% chance you will be disappointed. Even the hall of famers usually struggle their first year. Peppers is the only one I can think of that had double figure sacks his first year. And IMO, that was more a product of the style of d we played at the time and the talent around him. Guys like Bruce Smith, Michael Strahan, and others all struggled in their first year.

[Urrymonster]

you know this really sounds like you're trying to play the "what's your solution" game, and then you're going to go at length to try and justify why giving up a valuable first round pick this year for a player about 30 other teams didn't care enough about to select him with their first chance and whom hasn't made much of a ripple is a better idea than grabbing a free agent such as Chris Canty, assuming Everette Brown is destined to grow into some inpenetrable force on the defensive line in the coming years.

I had a feeling that was what you were thinking. I was actually just genuinely interested in what you would have done. I get so tired of people trying to set each other up, to then try to counter everything they say. I prefer discussions, ones which actually discuss things, otherwise every thread descends into bravado on who is the best internet tough guy.

Canty is someone I wanted us to bring in. As beans aluded to, I would have slid him inside though he just does not have the explosion and moves to rush the QB from DE. Mind you a combination of Brayton, Lewis, Kemo (at the time), Canty would have been a dominant four against the run, just a bit embarressing against the pass.

He is not a 3-4 OLB. That is why he slipped to where he did. With the amount of teams converting to the 3-4, he 'should' have gone earlier. Fortunately most saw him as what he is - a dominant 4-3 pass rushing end. I think his skill set is his motor and body quickness, which is much more effective at DE, as the OT has less time to react. Most 3-4 OLBs are more powerful guys, or pure speed guys, not many utilise their body form and technique to get past blocker. Brown is quick, but not Dumervil quick. He is powerful, but not Ware powerful. He is in the middle and with decent technique, being on the line gives him the better chance of beating blockers.

I still love the Brown pick up. He is the kind of character you build a roster on. In 5 years he will at the least be our new Rucker, best case is a Mathis/Freeney type, but that is more wishful thinking. This is of course, my opinion.

So, with me honestly intruiged about how you would have gone about things. What would you have done. You are letting Pep go, so in theory you need to replace a DE and have some cap room to pick up a max of two cheap players. What is your plan of action?