2023 Quantifying Quarterbacks

[Icege]

Took screenshots of the different tabs on the spreadsheet and pasted them below for folks on mobile (and for the ppl that don't want to navigate a spreadsheet :P)

 

Index

 

Player Schedules

Play Environment

Pass-Rush Opposition

 

Total Accuracy/Playmaking

 

Target Area Rate

Accuracy Breakdown

3rd/4th Down

Red Zone

4th Quarter/OT

Edited April 25, 2023 by Icege

[mrcompletely11]

If you go by those #'s then its stroud all the way.  However a few of those data points look a bit off

[Samppson]

Interesting numbers, pretty funny that Bryce has a higher percentage of throws from inside the pocket than Stroud or Richardson, but people like to bill him as not being able to play in the pocket and reliant on scrambling.

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If you go by those #'s then its stroud all the way.  However a few of those data points look a bit off

Look at that ridiculous WR drop percentage for OSU. 

Brian Hartline is a gotdamn wizard.

Also shows that Richardson isn't as inaccurate as first glance. Love data like this. 

One thing this does not chart is how often the receivers ran the wrong/poor route, and you can't really chart that with film without knowing the playcall/design. I'd assume there were more wrong routes run for guys like Levis/Richardson than Stroud or Young. 

[LinvilleGorge]

48 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Also shows that Richardson isn't as inaccurate as first glance. Love data like this. 

I've been trying to tell people. It's obvious when folks have only looked at baseline stats and haven't actually watched him play.

[Jaxel]

44 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Look at that ridiculous WR drop percentage for OSU. 

Brian Hartline is a gotdamn wizard.

Also shows that Richardson isn't as inaccurate as first glance. Love data like this. 

One thing this does not chart is how often the receivers ran the wrong/poor route, and you can't really chart that with film without knowing the playcall/design. I'd assume there were more wrong routes run for guys like Levis/Richardson than Stroud or Young. 

I mean he is Richardson is 10-12 percent worse than everyone on this list accuracy wise.

[Jaxel]

2 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I mean he is Richardson is 10-12 percent worse than everyone on this list accuracy wise.

Also he is similar to Cam in that he throws a ton of rockets no matter the range. He isn't much of a touch passer and that can hurt him in those 0-5 and 5-10 yard throws.

[rayzor]

26 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

Also he is similar to Cam in that he throws a ton of rockets no matter the range. He isn't much of a touch passer and that can hurt him in those 0-5 and 5-10 yard throws.

i've seen him put a nice touch on the ball from time to time. i think it's one of those things that got better as time went on. 

[frankw]

Some things stick out that will need to improve in the NFL. Young's 16-20 and 20+ accuracy is lacking. That's the money area that keeps defenses honest. CJ Stroud also has the tight window accuracy you will need to make a difference at the next level while Young is closer to Anthony Richardson in that area. I can't wait to see how both these guys turn out. Hopefully just as Bryce is going to a very good organizational situation with us Stroud will find a good team as well.

Edited April 25, 2023 by frankw

[vorbis]

good stuff, thanks for compiling OP.

[ncsdawg]

Interesting stats, hard to come to a conclusion on any QB when everything is factored in.  Richardson is the most intriguing QB in the draft to me, there are glimpses of what he could be capable of.  But it could be 3 years before anyone knows how good he could be.  Which is challenging when you only get 4 + 1 years on the rookie contract.

[JawnyBlaze]

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've been trying to tell people. It's obvious when folks have only looked at baseline stats and haven't actually watched him play.

I dunno, I never go off stats, barely ever even know what a prospect’s stats look like unless it’s mentioned here. I just use what I see with my own two eyes and Richardson was more prone to wild throws , and even when they weren’t wild they weren’t well placed often making the receiver have to work harder to catch, than just about anyone I’ve ever seen. Maybe most of that was due to wrong routes or something I have no way of knowing since I’m not in the huddle or QB room, but just based on the frequency that passes dropped to the ground nowhere near the receiver I’ve determined for my own opinion that Richardson is, right now, an awful passer. 100% based on watching every pass he has thrown that’s available on YouTube. 
 

on a related topic, I really miss that website that existed years ago that would chop up games of prospects into every play they were involved in, for QBs it was entire games with every single throw and passing play. I forget the name of it, I remember it had a red theme. That site was great and really helpful for armchair GMing. 

[BrianS]

I know there has been a lot of negative press around Stroud, but man.

Knock:  His receivers are running wide open.  Fact:  Stroud threw just as many tight window passes as Young, and was the most accurate QB in the class when doing so.

Knock:  Stroud can't play under pressure or outside the pocket.  Fact:  Stroud has the highest accuracy in the class under pressure and outside the pocket and is pressured at just slightly below the average for the class this year.

If a Huddler (good job OP) can dig these numbers out, you have to believe that teams have done the same.  Looking at those numbers, I'd have a very hard time not taking the guy (Stroud).  I wonder if all the hysteria around Young is a product of the highlights instead of the body of work.  Does Stroud just make it look so easy that we gravitate toward Young who makes it look like a million bucks?

It's an interesting discussion.

Both QB's seem to have said all the right things and shown all the right personality traits.  The mystery stops soon.

 

[WUnderhill]

Great information, thanks op. I don’t see anything that should change opinions. AR has accuracy issues, Bryce Young pretty good at just about everything but lacked explosive plays, Stroud very accurate and his receivers and line were great (holy crap 0.89% drop rate). I think it’s clear you can design an offense for Stroud and tell him where to go with the ball and he can get it there. But that’s always been clear. If I had to guess, I think he will probably look like a really good regular season QB who struggles in the playoffs.