Person: Richardson still in the conversation...if we trade down

[Jon Snow]

11 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

These coaches have to feel like they are more than qualified to make this kid a star. But patience doesn't seem to be a quality Tepper is embracing right now. Don't get me wrong, I love Bryce. I think he will have a great career. But AR is a unicorn. If all of that talent gets harnessed he could do things we maybe have never seen or won't see again for some time. This draft is fascinating because of these two guys and the mystique of what their careers can/will be. 

Well look at it like this. There are 2 anomalies in this draft, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson.  One is the smallest qb to ever suit up in the nfl. There other is a man child the likes of which we've never seen.  The little guy has 3 years of development on the man child. The big guy is un-molded clay needing an Allstar coaching staff to mold. The little guy has mostly been molded by someone else. Where do you go?

Edited April 14, 2023 by Jon Snow

[Jackie Lee]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Well look at it like this. There are 2 anomalies in this draft, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson.  One is the smallest qb to ever suit up in the nfl. There other is a man child the likes of which we've never seen.  The little guy has 3 years of development on the man child. The big guy is un-molded clay needing an Allstar coaching staff to mold. The little guy has mostly be molded by someone else. Where do you go?

With Bryce, not much actual coaching to do, more playbook stuff. And the playbook will be limited. When it works great, certain teams will have the defense to shut him down and theres really not too many options to counter. Anthony, you have to respect the run and the deep ball every snap, if he can read defenses and improve his accuracy he's the next Allen. I can see why a coach would be higher on him as something to mold 

[XClown1986]

10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Well look at it like this. There are 2 anomalies in this draft, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson.  One is the smallest qb to ever suit up in the nfl. There other is a man child the likes of which we've never seen.  The little guy has 3 years of development on the man child. The big guy is un-molded clay needing an Allstar coaching staff to mold. The little guy has mostly been molded by someone else. Where do you go?

Well Bryce Young was molded pretty damn well and it won't be difficult to get him to a polished product. But to extend the analogy, he has less clay than AR to work with. It largely depends on the confidence, skill, and ambition of the artist and the courage of the financier to get the return on their investment. 

[Jaxel]

I think AR is out of the picture unless Houston forks over next year's 1.

Edited April 14, 2023 by Jaxel

[Mr. Scot]

 

[Jaxel]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

And to that point, I believe it will take more than what Houston will want to give to tradeback, starting with next year's first. I don't think they do it for 33.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Jaxel said:

And to that point, I believe it will take more than what Houston will want to give to tradeback, starting with next year's first. I don't think they do it for 33.

If they think he is on the mahomes or luck level as some on here have suggested why in the world wouldnt they? 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Jaxel said:

And to that point, I believe it will take more than what Houston will want to give to tradeback, starting with next year's first. I don't think they do it for 33.

I would. The Panthers? Don't know.

[Wolfcop]

15 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Well look at it like this. There are 2 anomalies in this draft, Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson.  One is the smallest qb to ever suit up in the nfl. There other is a man child the likes of which we've never seen.  The little guy has 3 years of development on the man child. The big guy is un-molded clay needing an Allstar coaching staff to mold. The little guy has mostly been molded by someone else. Where do you go?

There have been a few GMs that have said they are glad they don't have to make that decision this year. Undoubtedly because they all have some traits you love, but each has some potential weaknesses that may haunt you. 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Jaxel said:

And to that point, I believe it will take more than what Houston will want to give to tradeback, starting with next year's first. I don't think they do it for 33.

Would 33 not have the same value as next year's 1st?  This year's top 2nd round pick vs next year mystery 1st round pick.  

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Wolfcop said:

There have been a few GMs that have said they are glad they don't have to make that decision this year. Undoubtedly because they all have some traits you love, but each has some potential weaknesses that may haunt you. 

2 of the top 3 have weaknesses you can potentially fix with good coaching

[Jaxel]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Would 33 not have the same value as next year's 1st?  This year's top 2nd round pick vs next year mystery 1st round pick.  

Houston would have to win the superbowl to make it a worse pick than 33. I think the Panthers want a number 1 receiver next year, and thar doesn't exist this year.

Edited April 14, 2023 by Jaxel

[Wolfcop]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I would. The Panthers? Don't know.

If you think Stroud (or AR) can be the man, you absolutely take that trade. I think the Panthers would ask for #12 or a future 1st, but more likely to get #33. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Would 33 not have the same value as next year's 1st?  This year's top 2nd round pick vs next year mystery 1st round pick.  

Technically the #2 pick of the second round. It's in a higher position because there are only 31 first-round picks.