CJ Stroud Film Breakdown Megathread

[WOW!!]

36 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

He does make bad decisions. Fortunately for him, college defenses aren't pro defenses. So while he throws a pass into double coverage and the safety mistimes the break on the receiver for what would be a pick (maybe even a pick 6), he looks like he is making a great play. But throw that same ball on Sunday? Reality will hit hard. And I don't think he has shown that he knows how to adapt his game to veer too far off script. The Georgia game was the exception, but even then he left plays on the field. And he played as hard as he did in that game because it had real weight to it. But I don't see that as being a weekly effort.

He is robotic. And he plays the game like he is on auto pilot. He doesn't willingly or easily adapt to turbulence. 

Going over this..

This person didn’t watch any UM game, Maryland this year ND 1st game of the season Penn State last year or the Utah bowl game last year.. 

And if 300 + passing yards and 4 tds with no run game is leaving plays on the field then a lot of QB leave plays on the field..

The rest are if’ and buts strawman argument.. 

“if the safety doesn’t make a misstep if the CB was longer if The LB had a better drop”” Can be said on every play on Sunday.. All that is “strawman” excuses to dis credit a player you don’t like..  2 years of if this would have and if that would have happened ended with a player producing 85 TD 8,000 plus yards a 70% comp rate and 12 ints.. 

[XClown1986]

6 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Like I thought nothing.. Damn I thought you actually had a opinion with facts.. my bad..

Both Justin Fields and Troy Smith had better careers at Ohio State. And Dwayne Haskins' was comparable. They all failed (and Fields is underperforming as a passer so far). Ohio State puts out great NFL talent... Except at QB. Because the scheme doesn't ask much of them. So their stats are inflated. Denying that is denying the reality of the structure.

[XClown1986]

Just now, WOW!! said:

Going over this..

This person didn’t watch any UM game, Maryland this year ND 1st game of the season Penn State last year or the Utah bowl game last year.. 

And if 300 + passing yards and 4 tds with no run game is leaving plays on the field then a lot of QB leave plays on the field..

The rest are if’ and buts strawman argument.. 

“if the safety doesn’t make a misstep if the CB was longer if The LB had a better drop”” Can be said on every play on Sunday.. All that is “strawman” excuses to dis credit a player you don’t like..  2 years of if this would have and if that would have happened ended with a player producing 85 TD 8,000 plus yards a 70% comp rate and 12 ints.. 

How do Stroud's balls taste? Or does the flavor change depending on the day? 

[XClown1986]

StRoUd iS a gOd!!?*!!#$@

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, XClown1986 said:

Both Justin Fields and Troy Smith had better careers at Ohio State. And Dwayne Haskins' was comparable. They all failed (and Fields is underperforming as a passer so far). Ohio State puts out great NFL talent... Except at QB. Because the scheme doesn't ask much of them. So their stats are inflated. Denying that is denying the reality of the structure.

Alright …

Breaking this down..

1. Troy Smith , Dwayne Haskins played for different coaches in a completely different system. How does that equate??

2. 
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/justin-fields-2.html

vs 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/troy-smith-1.html
 

vs

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/dwayne-haskins-1.html
 

vs

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cj-stroud-1.html
 

Did you even looked at the numbers before posting that opinion??  It’s not even close.. CJ produced 40 tds years twice none of these guys did that..

Not comparable..

3. Texas Tech didn’t produce QB until they did..

LSU didn’t produce a QB until they did..

Oregon didn’t produce QB’s until they did..

Bama last  QB before this lastest run was Namath..

If you’re going to have this basis opinion about not taking QB from certain schools then where do you get QBs from?? Where is the QB school that produces great QB all the time or consistent enough for your liking??

[WOW!!]

13 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

How do Stroud's balls taste? Or does the flavor change depending on the day? 

Good because he’s so accurate with them..

 

[XClown1986]

Just now, WOW!! said:

Good because he’s so accurate with them..

 

Happy for you two. Regardless of the fact that Ohio State QBs have inflated stats, he shows worrisome tendencies. He reverses his field instead of stepping up, he bails from the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure, he throws off balance into coverage instead of hitting a check down or throwing the ball away, he stares down his preferable read. Defensive coordinators will send 5 or 6 guys at him every snap, because he hasn't displayed the wherewithal to counter the pressure. And all of this might be bearable if he seemed to show the capability to carry a team when they need him. And he hasn't. Ever.

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

Happy for you two. Regardless of the fact that Ohio State QBs have inflated stats, he shows worrisome tendencies. He reverses his field instead of stepping up, he bails from the pocket at the slightest sign of pressure, he throws off balance into coverage instead of hitting a check down or throwing the ball away, he stares down his preferable read. Defensive coordinators will send 5 or 6 guys at him every snap, because he hasn't displayed the wherewithal to counter the pressure. And all of this might be bearable if he seemed to show the capability to carry a team when they need him. And he hasn't. Ever.

 

Meaning less analysis back by nothing..

[XClown1986]

27 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

 

Meaning less analysis back by nothing..

Backed*

If by nothing, you mean facts, then yes. 

[Ricky Spanish]

[PleaseCutStewart]

7 hours ago, Shocker said:

I will just go ahead and say what I have thought for a while.  CJ Stroud played from a Mr Clean pocket in every game he played outside of Georgia.  He had ridiculous weapons and an OL that let him sit back and be very comfortable.  He has a bust factor and isn’t nearly the finished product people are describing.

His team lost nearly all of his “show me” games.  He is going to struggle if he goes to a bad team.  He has never seen that scenario in his life

I'm confused. So you are saying he sucks because his team was much more talented than everyone else. And then when he played the most talented team in college football and absolutely shredded them through the air and on the ground, crickets??? I guess he got lucky... And let's blame Stroud for losing to Michigan the past 2 years because their defense let Michigan run for like 400 yards in each of the games...

But yeah, let's pretend that Bama has a bunch of 2 star athletes on their team and that Bryce didn't have talent surrounding him also. Bama's oline was still very good and while Ohio St. has an elite WR in Harrison and a very good one in Egbuka, there wasn't much of anything else at TE/WR behind those 2.

If you want to argue that Ohio St.'s scheme will be a problem translating to the NFL, I will give you that. But go watch Stroud's game against Utah in the bowl game 2 years ago and tell me the dude is a bust. Nobody in this draft had a better game in their careers than he did against Utah in that game. And I'm not talking just stats - the dude was throwing 20+ yard routes with pinpoint accuracy despite having no run game, an oline that allowed more pressure than they should have, and an absolutely awful defense that lucked out that Utah's QB got hurt to actually make a stop on D.

[ForJimmy]

There can be 2 (or more) great QB prospects in this class. Trying to tear down one prospect to make another look better is pointless. Several of these players have elite attributes and the top 2 can let their tape speak for itself. 

[Lame Duck]

7 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Oh come on.  I’m enjoying the drama.  We got 2 weeks of this and then it will be a boredom.

[Icege]

Have been re-watching the last two seasons for Stroud + Young and figured I'd take a stab at creating discussion around "the tape." Going to go through each game and pull three plays that made me question a prospect and three plays that got me excited for them.

 

CJ Stroud vs. Notre Dame (week 1)

 

3 Questionable Plays

• 00:06:14 
  CJ's first pass attempt of the season and he's sacked while staring down JSM. Never read the blitz despite the MLB creeping up and never took his eyes away from where JSM was heading. He had his TE open in the flat for the safe play, but got greedy seeing a potential big gain if he was able to get it to JSM. Ohio State does a good job of cutting the field down to one side for CJ and making the high-mid-low read. 

• 00:37:24
  2nd & 9 and down by 3 early in the 2nd quarter at around midfield. Notre Dame runs cover-2 man and the coverage is excellent. Stroud is in the shotgun and drops back about 5 yards more after getting the snap, which is something we've heard about Young doing so noticing it from Stroud caught my attention. What bothered me most about this play though is the forced throw into good coverage when he could have easily taken off and gotten the first down with his legs. Two of the biggest knocks on Stroud are how he's not the best off-script guy and his performance craters while under pressure from the defense. It also makes me curious to see whether or not he has issues on plays that are designed for him to throw on the run. Is it an issue of being off his platform, or is it strictly that he's not a strong improviser?

• 00:47:54
  LT gets beat on the inside and Stroud flicks it out to the check down even though he's got a man coming wide open over the middle and has nothing but green grass to his left. Would have loved to have seen him spin out here and buy time or come back to the middle on his reads rather than staring down JSM. It is worth noting, however, that after this particular play CJ started doing much better when it came to spinning out to avoid pressure and keeping plays alive with his feet. 

3 Exciting Plays

• 00:17:05
  This is the type of play that scouts want to see CJ execute while under pressure. Two blitzers are coming and Stroud takes a moment to shift and reset his feet before delivering an absolute dime of a throw to Egbuka's outside shoulder away from the defender. The ball placement alone allowed his WR to avoid being touched and sprint for the score. This is what folks are talking about when they talk about his accuracy and how he puts it out there for his playmakers to grab and go.
   
• 01:08:44
  I wasn't lying when I said that Stroud started doing much better with keeping plays alive after the play @ 00:47:54. Stroud feels the edge rusher on his back, spins out, and puts the ball right on his man. The throw looks like it was put out there to give his WR the ability to turn upfield for a few more yards, but Ballard's momentum was carrying him out. This is what we want to see more of.
   
• 01:36:03
  CJ gets a mulligan from the 00:47:54 play as the edge rusher beats the LT inside again. This time, CJ spins away and keeps the play alive long enough for his WR to come back to the boundary to convert the first. This play stood out to me specifically because the play-call was a mesh concept which we have heard again and again that Reich loves to use

Edited April 15, 2023 by Icege