Peter King: Bryce Young inching closer to Carolina

[rippadonn]

Too small. The smallest. This isn't math camp, skills will matter less because the physicality takes a large jump from being tackled by a future accountant.

[rippadonn]

Betting on the tiniest horse. Smh.

[carolinaperks]

Weird how being smaller means you're more likely to get injured when the biggest, most athletic prospect, Anthony Richardson, has been the most riddled with injuries.

[rippadonn]

Just now, carolinaperks said:

Weird how being smaller means you're more likely to get injured when the biggest, most athletic prospect, Anthony Richardson, has been the most riddled with injuries.

The average height isn't 5'10" and the NFL average weight isn't 190.

Your asking a dog to fight bears. Every dog has his day not days, weeks, months, years.

[OldhamA]

4 minutes ago, carolinaperks said:

Weird how being smaller means you're more likely to get injured when the biggest, most athletic prospect, Anthony Richardson, has been the most riddled with injuries.

My concern for Richardson regarding injuries is convincing referees not to give him the Newton treatment. 

Watch his tape - he takes late shots and gets piled on in any sort of scrum because refs don't protect him. The problem with being 6'4" and 240lbs I guess. 

[Mr. Scot]

Full context of King's comments...

The Bryce Young-to-Carolina talk increases. Though ESPN’s Chris Mortensen stressed the final call has not been made, the plugged-in Mort did say he thinks the Panthers “will stick with him when it’s time to turn in the card” on draft night. This jibes with what I wrote last week — that Young has a lot of fans in high places in the organization. I agree with Mortensen that it’s not a done deal, but the momentum toward Young is real. What’s interesting if the 5-10 Young goes before the 6-3 (and accomplished) C.J. Stroud is how it signifies how much the game has changed over the past few years. Young likes people comparing him to a point guard, a distributor of the ball to the open man, because it illustrates a lot about modern quarterbacking. In today’s game, a short quarterback can work better than a generation ago because it’s more of a horizontal, short-passing game overall.

[Mr. Scot]

Full context of the defensive coordinator comments...

One coach of a team with a pick in the top half of the first round had an interesting observation about Young/Stroud. This coach told me he had Stroud a strong number one on his board, with Young two. The overriding point was about size. If Young plays at 5-10 and, say, 198, he’ll be one of the smallest quarterbacks ever, obviously, in the NFL. Not just short, but slim. This coach asked me about the defensive fronts Young will face. “Alabama’s line was superior,” this coach said, “and Young consistently had enough time to throw. Taking away nothing from him, because he made the throws and made the plays to be great. But the offensive line for him will be crucial. Think of the defensive coordinators he’ll face, and how much they’ll emphasize putting good hits on him. I don’t see how that’s not a big factor when you put a grade on him.” Think of 6-8 Calais Campbell and 6-3 David Onyemata bull-rushing Young on the Atlanta defensive front—Campbell has 10 inches and 110 pounds on Young. People will say Young faced great defensive linemen in the SEC, and he did. But he’s not likely to have an NFL offensive line as foreboding as the one he had at Alabama.

[rippadonn]

People are making more excuses for Bryce Young than anyone else, suspect, hope we don't fall for it.

Bryce Young IS a underdog story. Not a #1 pick. Not because of stats or skills but slight frame and 4-5inches shorter than the average QB.

How long has he been playing football, don't you think he's been trying to keep weight? I'm all for big dreams and little bodies but not in the top ten.

[ECHornet]

4 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

At the combine Young weighed 204 and Stroud weighed 214 at 6'3.  Apparently those 10lbs make all the difference in if you get hurt when you get sacked or not.  Even if you say thats padded weight by Young there isnt this huge weight difference like people act.  Especially if you consider the fact Stroud is so much taller which means those 10 pounds are stretched more thin.   Even if you figure Young is 195, if you factor in height, Young has more mass than Stroud.   195 at 5'10 is more mass per inch of height than 6'3 214 lbs.

You forgot to magically deduct ~20lb from Young’s combine weight to equal his hypothetical “playing weight.” Don’t do that for Stroud though. He weighed in twice so they’re all good there. 

[Panthercougar68]

 

[FakePlasticTrees]

I hope that this is planted information designed to create a potential trade with Houston or simply to create surprise at the draft. I believe picking Young will be a colossal mistake. That combine weight was a phoney weight as evidenced by his unwillingness to be weighed at his pro day. Of the five potential fist round QB picks (I include Hooker), Young has the weakest arm and it is not even close.

Start a list of modern day starting NFL QBs that weighed 185 pounds (Jim McMahon (6'1", 195 lbs) in 1982 is the last first-round quarterback over the last 40 years to weigh fewer than 200). When Young starts a game I believe that he will be the only name on that list. Stroud has a much better arm, much better size, had a better QB rating in college, was a more accurate thrower in college even though he threw deep more often, was injured less in college, I believe that Stroud won more games in college than Young, etc,

I am not sure where this idea that Young was the best QB in college last year got started. I doubt the veracity of that assumption. I suppose reasonable people can differ when it comes to who was the best. What really cannot be reasonably argued is that Young does not have severe size disadvantages or that Young has a strong arm compared to other first round QB talent this year. Furthermore, I think Young had two snaps taken under center last year. I believe Stroud had about 200 snaps under center last year.

As a long suffering Panthers fan, my greatest fear is that the team drafts Young who almost immediately gets pounded the culmaltive effect of which will have him sidelined and ultimately gunshy. I saw how Tua was ragdolled last season. Tua is 6'1" and 213 pounds. There are better options available. Success is not guaranteed with any of these prospects. I believe Young's inability to withstand the pounding that he will receive in the NFL is virtually guaranteed. There is reason that no QB in the modern NFL has been as small as Young.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

8 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

I hope that this is planted information designed to create a potential trade with Houston or simply to create surprise at the draft. I believe picking Young will be a colossal mistake. That combine weight was a phoney weight as evidenced by his unwillingness to be weighed at his pro day. Of the five potential fist round QB picks (I include Hooker), Young has the weakest arm and it is not even close.

Start a list of modern day starting NFL QBs that weighed 185 pounds (Jim McMahon (6'1", 195 lbs) in 1982 is the last first-round quarterback over the last 40 years to weigh fewer than 200). When Young starts a game I believe that he will be the only name on that list. Stroud has a much better arm, much better size, had a better QB rating in college, was a more accurate thrower in college even though he threw deep more often, was injured less in college, I believe that Stroud won more games in college than Young, etc,

I am not sure where this idea that Young was the best QB in college last year got started. I doubt the veracity of that assumption. I suppose reasonable people can differ when it comes to who was the best. What really cannot be reasonably argued is that Young does not have severe size disadvantages or that Young has a strong arm compared to other first round QB talent this year. Furthermore, I think Young had two snaps taken under center last year. I believe Stroud had about 200 snaps under center last year.

As a long suffering Panthers fan, my greatest fear is that the team drafts Young who almost immediately gets pounded the culmaltive effect of which will have him sidelined and ultimately gunshy. I saw how Tua was ragdolled last season. Tua is 6'1" and 213 pounds. There are better options available. Success is not guaranteed with any of these prospects. I believe Young's inability to withstand the pounding that he will receive in the NFL is virtually guaranteed. There is reason that no QB in the modern NFL has been as small as Young.

Well it is looking like the pick will be between pretty much pinpoint accuracy and scrambler. We need a QB with accuracy as well as move in the pocket which is a Stroud trait. Young holds the ball way too long and scrambles around some and then throw the ball. Both have their own styles but the accuracy is a must have one.

[DJ feed me moore]

15 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

(Jim McMahon (6'1", 195 lbs) in 1982 is the last first-round quarterback over the last 40 years to weigh fewer than 200).

That's Superbowl champion QB Jim McMahon to you. Ill happily take another one of those.

[frankw]

28 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

I hope that this is planted information designed to create a potential trade with Houston or simply to create surprise at the draft. I believe picking Young will be a colossal mistake. That combine weight was a phoney weight as evidenced by his unwillingness to be weighed at his pro day. Of the five potential fist round QB picks (I include Hooker), Young has the weakest arm and it is not even close.

Start a list of modern day starting NFL QBs that weighed 185 pounds (Jim McMahon (6'1", 195 lbs) in 1982 is the last first-round quarterback over the last 40 years to weigh fewer than 200). When Young starts a game I believe that he will be the only name on that list. Stroud has a much better arm, much better size, had a better QB rating in college, was a more accurate thrower in college even though he threw deep more often, was injured less in college, I believe that Stroud won more games in college than Young, etc,

I am not sure where this idea that Young was the best QB in college last year got started. I doubt the veracity of that assumption. I suppose reasonable people can differ when it comes to who was the best. What really cannot be reasonably argued is that Young does not have severe size disadvantages or that Young has a strong arm compared to other first round QB talent this year. Furthermore, I think Young had two snaps taken under center last year. I believe Stroud had about 200 snaps under center last year.

As a long suffering Panthers fan, my greatest fear is that the team drafts Young who almost immediately gets pounded the culmaltive effect of which will have him sidelined and ultimately gunshy. I saw how Tua was ragdolled last season. Tua is 6'1" and 213 pounds. There are better options available. Success is not guaranteed with any of these prospects. I believe Young's inability to withstand the pounding that he will receive in the NFL is virtually guaranteed. There is reason that no QB in the modern NFL has been as small as Young.

I hear ya bud. Just gotta hope that he will become the ultimate outlier of all outliers. It can happen. Right?