Are smaller players more injury-prone?

[frankw]

If you're clinging to Wilson/Murray as your best comp it isn't going well.

One has battled multiple injuries and the other just had one of the worst seasons for any QB and hasn't done anything of note since the Legion of Boom went bust.

McCaffrey?

[Basbear]

54 minutes ago, rayzor said:

And every player is going to get hurt at some point.....every player is always at risk of a season or career ending injury at some point either by contact or a non-contact injury and there is absolutely no way to predict who it is or when it is. 

So draft nobody.

That needs to talked about with young, it takes an all-out effort and full body mechanics for his to make the NFL throws. What happens when he loses some of it??

Just like when a 4.2 gets a injury or ages, well hes still a 4.5 guy and thats still fast enough. A high school frame that gets a lifting injury, can they afford to lose % of their strength??

Id much prefer the player that doesnt have the slimmest margin of error.....I believe the staff knows this...

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Basbear

[Varking]

1 hour ago, Ivory Panther said:

In 2021 he was playing within the pocket a lot more because of his weapons.

in 2022 Bryce scrambled more out of necessity due to less weapons than 2021.

A bit like CJ scrambled more vs UGA?because he played a better defense than he faced his whole career…

I think many ppl only watched 2022 & made up their minds that he is not a pocket passer. He does both! 

2021 - 81 rushes for Young

2022 - 49 rushes for Young

 

Looks like he scrambled more in 2021.  He also has plays where he had 10+ seconds before having to throw this year:

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Varking

[Ivory Panther]

8 minutes ago, Varking said:

2021 - 81 rushes for Young

2022 - 49 rushes for Young

 

Looks like he scrambled more in 2021.  He also has plays where he had 10+ seconds before having to throw this year:

 

Luckily scrambling means more than just rushing the ball for a QB. 

[Varking]

19 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

Luckily scrambling means more than just rushing the ball for a QB. 

Yeah but when you don’t have any numbers to back what you’re saying it makes it hard to trust what you are saying. Is there some metric or is it just your eye test and memory that determined he ran around a ton more this year vs last year?

[Ivory Panther]

16 minutes ago, Varking said:

Yeah but when you don’t have any numbers to back what you’re saying it makes it hard to trust what you are saying. Is there some metric or is it just your eye test and memory that determined he ran around a ton more this year vs last year?

Just eye test & I understand ur point around data rather than eye test. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Ivory Panther said:

Just eye test & I understand ur point around data rather than eye test. 

English dude.  

[Ivory Panther]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

English dude.  

I Can’t help u with ur low IQ Frank. Lmao. 

Edited April 8, 2023 by Ivory Panther

[stan786]

50 minutes ago, Varking said:

Yeah but when you don’t have any numbers to back what you’re saying it makes it hard to trust what you are saying. Is there some metric or is it just your eye test and memory that determined he ran around a ton more this year vs last year?

I was curious, I do think his line was better in 21, but I wasnt sure if he really didnt run more, or what the deal was. So I looked at PFF premium data, with rushes being designed rushes, sacks being sacks (Counted as rushes in college), and scrambles which they define as non designed rushes. Data really could support either argument, he had more scrambles per game in 2022 than 2021 which indicates he was running around more, but he had more sacks + scrambles per game in 2021 which feels like it could indicated oline play more maybe? I wish they had more in depth stuff on this.

Year	Games	Rushes	Sacks	Per Game Sack	Scrambles	Per Game Scramble	Sacks + Scrambles	Sacks + Scrambles per game
21	15	11	35	2.33	34	2.27	69	4.6
22	11.5	4	18	1.57	30	2.61	48	4.17

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by stan786

[Varking]

1 minute ago, stan786 said:

I was curious, I do think his line was better in 21, but I wasnt sure if he really didnt run more, or what the deal was. So I looked at PFF premium data, with rushes being designed rushes, sacks being sacks (Counted as rushes in college), and scrambles which they define as non designed rushes. Data really could support either argument, he had more scrambles per game in 2022 than 2021 which indicates he was running around more, but he had more sacks + scrambles per game in 2021 which feels like it could indicated oline play more maybe? I wish they had more in depth stuff on this.

 

Year	Games	Rushes	Per Game Rush	Sacks	Per Game Sack	Scrambles	Per Game Scramble	Total Rushes	Sacks + Scrambles	Sacks + Scrambles Per Game
21	15	11	0.73	35	2.33	34	2.27	80	69	4.6
22	11.5	4	0.35	18	1.57	30	2.61	52	48	4.17

 

Yeah I don’t really know who to go to for stats like these 

[stan786]

3 minutes ago, Varking said:

Yeah I don’t really know who to go to for stats like these 

I'm shocked how hard it is to find simple things like how often a team lined up in shotgun. Would be much easier to quantify a lot of these arguments lmao.

[rodeo]

3 hours ago, Varking said:

2021 - 81 rushes for Young

2022 - 49 rushes for Young

 

Looks like he scrambled more in 2021.  He also has plays where he had 10+ seconds before having to throw this year:

 

i hate that i open his highlights and see a bunch of plays like this that would have been easy sacks in the NFL. all the analysts say he's the best passer with the best processing but why don't people ever show that instead of this Blaine Gabbert poo

[poundaway]

So can someone share with me some  examples of QB's who got hurt and missed playing time and can definitely say, it was because of his size.  Someone big hit him.  The hit did damage that would not have been done on a larger player.

Edited April 9, 2023 by poundaway

[pantherclaw]

Ideally, I'd love a mobile version of Peyton Manning.  That what I want for our team. 

Guess what? That doesn't exist in this draft.   

I've been watching football long enough to know there isn't any correlation between size of QB and his ability to have a long, successful career. There are less small guys in the history of the NFL, but that is to be a given. 

How smart does the QB play? How well protected is he?  Do refs allow players to tee off on smaller guys like they allowed for Cam?

Taking size out of the equation,  Young is the best QB in this draft.

If Frank is concerned about Young's size, then we will see it on draft day. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by pantherclaw