Are smaller players more injury-prone?

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, rayzor said:

But you are all coming up with this idea that at some point size becomes an issue for durability. Where is that line? Is there some sliding scale? Then where is it and where is the data to support it?

When you say too small, where is the line where it's not an issue? What would have been an  acceptable height/weight? How hard and fast is that line? What is it based on?

No offense man but you are never going to get it.  You are trying to hard to pin something down.  If you dont think his size is an issue at this point then its clearly on you.   If he was 2 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier it wouldnt be an issue.  Why that is I cannot tell you but where he is now in size is clearly a problem.  There is no scouting report, there is no analyst interview that doesnt mention this as a huge negative in regards to young.  Its a violent game with huge men trying to kill him and the fact that there has never been a guy that small to succeed is a huge red flag.

[Beast_3000]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/11/08/football-physics-putting-g-forces-in-perspective/amp/
 

@rayzor

[MHS831]

We can talk about physics and science and it makes sense, but what applies to Young applies to all.  Most NFL injuries are to joints, and the primary injury to QBs is a shoulder injury. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5825334/  While Bryce Young in a head on collusion with Aaron Donald is likely to lose miserably, the padding and protection is likely to prevent a long-term injury.  Worst case scenario?  A concussion.  Best case?  Wind knocked out.  Most injuries occur when the player is going through a range of motion, such as a RB cutting back (knee) or a QB getting hit while throwing (shoulder).  So in that situation, does the size of the person applying the impact matter? 

You are all right--Bryce vs. Donald = a Donald victory and possible KO for the QB--maybe a few rib issues.  But in the performance of QB duties and the motion it takes to play the position, is he more vulnerable than anyone else?

Edited April 8, 2023 by MHS831

[rayzor]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

No offense man but you are never going to get it.  You are trying to hard to pin something down.  If you dont think his size is an issue at this point then its clearly on you.   If he was 2 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier it wouldnt be an issue.  Why that is I cannot tell you but where he is now in size is clearly a problem.  There is no scouting report, there is no analyst interview that doesnt mention this as a huge negative in regards to young.  Its a violent game with huge men trying to kill him and the fact that there has never been a guy that small to succeed is a huge red flag.

But it's always an issue for everyone getting hit, especially blindsided. Injury is unpredictable for everyone regardless of size. Degrees of injury is unpredictable for everyone. It's an unpredictable issue that doesn't care how big or small you are.

He could be 3 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier and take one just right hit to the head his first game and career over. 

The durability of every player should always be a concern if it is a concern for any.

[rayzor]

5 minutes ago, Beast_3000 said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/11/08/football-physics-putting-g-forces-in-perspective/amp/
 

@rayzor

Yes...I've seen that...read it ...and it doesn't say where it becomes an actual concern more than anyone else. Where is the line between acceptable and not acceptable risk?

[Beast_3000]

21 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Where is the baseline for it being a problem?

People cry "he's too short!"  "he's too small!" But where is that definitive line? Where is that line between too short/small?

Your questions raised (quoted) are exactly why it’s questionable to  gamble on a billion dollar decision. His little head and every part of his body will snap back like we’ve never seen before. 

[OldhamA]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

No offense man but you are never going to get it.  You are trying to hard to pin something down.  If you dont think his size is an issue at this point then its clearly on you.   If he was 2 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier it wouldnt be an issue.  Why that is I cannot tell you but where he is now in size is clearly a problem.  There is no scouting report, there is no analyst interview that doesnt mention this as a huge negative in regards to young.  Its a violent game with huge men trying to kill him and the fact that there has never been a guy that small to succeed is a huge red flag.

At the end of the day many were worried that Matt Corral was too small - he's 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier than Young. 

[LinvilleGorge]

It just feels like copium. When Jake or Cam got smoke by a DL I was concerned but I fully expected them to bounce right back up.  If we draft Bryce I'm gonna be holding my breath every time he gets smoked by a DL because he's gonna be taking hits on the regular from dudes that outweigh him by 100 pounds. There's a reason you don't see Smart cars in demolition derbies.

[Bostonheelfish]

CJ Stroud is just as slight as Young, he just has more of a target to be crushed because he’s bigger. Young is a very small target, you have to hit him just right to get dangerous force to his body.

i think, for a QB, recent years have shown that the increase in out of pocket plays and scrambling, their ankles are the most vulnerable part. If I were either QB I would be working on strengthening and increased flexibility in my ankles.

[Jackie Lee]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

We can talk about physics and science and it makes sense, but what applies to Young applies to all.  Most NFL injuries are to joints, and the primary injury to QBs is a shoulder injury. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5825334/  While Bryce Young in a head on collusion with Aaron Donald is likely to lose miserably, the padding and protection is likely to prevent a long-term injury.  Worst case scenario?  A concussion.  Best case?  Wind knocked out.  Most injuries occur when the player is going through a range of motion, such as a RB cutting back (knee) or a QB getting hit while throwing (shoulder).  So in that situation, does the size of the person applying the impact matter? 

You are all right--Bryce vs. Donald = a Donald victory and possible KO for the QB--maybe a few rib issues.  But in the performance of QB duties and the motion it takes to play the position, is he more vulnerable than anyone else?

Apparently shoulder sprains are already a thing with Bryce

 

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Apparently shoulder sprains are already a thing with Bryce

 

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Apparently shoulder sprains are already a thing with Bryce

 

Repeated past shoulder sprains? That's a concern. 

Yeah, it's good that he's bounced back quickly but these things have a cumulative effect. Remember when Cam had ankle surgery to "tighten" ligaments? Yeah, that was from repeated sprains. Every time you suffer a sprain you're damaging ligaments and creating wear and tear and scar tissue.

[gmonjimbo]

I'm sure the Panthers will have the full medical report for the QBs, especially for someone like Hendon Hooker that is recovering from an ACL injury. Also, they may get input from strength and conditioning coaches to look at Young's frame to get some type of estimate of how much "good" weight he can put on within 2 NFL offseasons. 

 

[MHS831]

15 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Apparently shoulder sprains are already a thing with Bryce

 

Sorta illustrates the point.  Is this good news (he is resilient and overcomes them easily or that he is good at reacting in a way to minimize the extent of the injury?) It is a concern.  Actually, Stroud had some shoulder concerns (more serious) as well:

Stroud's Shoulder injury

https://www.cleveland.com/buckeye-talk-podcast/2021/11/ohio-state-footballs-cj-stroud-reveals-the-severity-of-his-right-shoulder-injury-to-start-the-season.html

AR Shoulder Injury

Here is one about Richardson, albeit his left shoulder--but it also mentions hamstrings, etc. which supports the assumption based on the research that running QBs are more susceptible to injury: https://www.on3.com/college/florida-gators/news/injured-anthony-richardson-update-hamstring-neck-shoulder-florida-tennessee-rivalry/

Levis' Shoulder Injury

And there is this, about Levis: 

"Kentucky QB Will Levis plans extensive treatment during Wildcats’ bye week-- UK QB Will Levis knows he needs extra time in the training room during the Wildcats' bye week after foot and shoulder injuries."

Read more at: https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article267379242.html#storylink=cpy

And not the injury we associate with Hendon Hooker, but he too suffered from a shoulder injury:

Hendon Hooker suffers apparent shoulder injury late in first half

Keith Farner | 7 months ago

"Hendon Hooker suffered an apparent right shoulder injury late in the first half against Florida as the Tennessee quarterback struggled early on."

IT HAPPENS to ALL QBs. 

Edited April 8, 2023 by MHS831