Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

[Ivory Panther]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Let's make it easy.  Show me where any analyst/scout/coach is concerned with Stroud's size.  Our own HC stated there was a concern with Young's.  Why do you think that is?  

Not saying there are no concerns or shouldn’t be. I’m saying there should also be concerns abt CJ when ppl use Tua as an example of “small QBs” getting hurt because CJ is smaller than Tua.

I’m just pointing out the double standard.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You can't critique his boy Young he can't handle it.  

I mean, I like Young as a player. But to act like his size is of no concern is crazy. If he was Stroud's size, yeah give me Young all day everyday. But he's not. That's what makes the decision an actual decision.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

Not saying there are no concerns or shouldn’t be. I’m saying there should also be concerns abt CJ when ppl use Tua as an example of “small QBs” getting hurt because CJ is smaller than Tua.

I’m just pointing out the double standard.

There no double standard. There's more concern about Young because he's a lot smaller than Stroud. This really isn't that difficult.

This is like claiming there's a double standard by claiming a WR who ran a 4.6 40 has deep speed concerns in the NFL but no one is saying that about the 4.4 WR. Well, yeah.

[Ivory Panther]

1 minute ago, travisura said:

If you're trying to claim that we need to be worried about CJ getting injured because he's a similar size to Tua, then Young shouldn't even be in the question. Young is considerably smaller, and has a smaller frame than both Stroud and Tua. I get it you like Young but come on man if you can't be throwing the "what if he gets injured" stone from within the Bryce Young glass house.

Bro relax!

not saying bryce size is not. Simply saying CJ is smaller than Tua who is the poster child for QB injuries right now, so if size for QB is a concern, there should be concerns for CJ as well. Lesser concerned than bryce but still a concern which I have yet to see. 

[DrowsyJungle]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's about projection. Stroud at 6'3" with a considerably larger frame could easily carry 225 pounds.  Young is 5'10" and slight framed. I honestly can't ever seen him playing much if at all over 200 pounds.

CMC guzzled water to weigh in slightly over 200 pounds at his combine. Remember watching him being ragdolled as a rookie before he put on weight? It was scary.

If we pick Bryce Young I'll be holding my breath on every hit. Dude is smaller than me. He couldn't hold 204 lbs from the combine to his pro day. 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

Not saying there are no concerns or shouldn’t be. I’m saying there should also be concerns abt CJ when ppl use Tua as an example of “small QBs” getting hurt because CJ is smaller than Tua.

I’m just pointing out the double standard.

6'3" 220 with ability to add weight is nothing crazy for an NFL QB.  5'10" 190 is historically low.  If Tua who was considered undersized got tossed (literally) around and injured it is definitely concerning for a shorter, smaller QB.  It's very simple...  

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, DrowsyJungle said:

If we pick Bryce Young I'll be holding my breath on every hit. Dude is smaller than me. He couldn't hold 204 lbs from the combine to his pro day. 

It's what concerns me. Bryce Young is basically the same size I was at that age. I just can't wrap my head around it when I see QBs getting smoked by 280+ pound dudes who can run like a deer.

[ForJimmy]

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/04/05/todd-mcshay-tua-tagovailoas-injuries-affect-how-i-see-bryce-young/70085705007/

Todd McShay is literally saying this same thing.  

[Daniel Mullaly]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

If they take Richardson (they won't) then he's won them over since the trade.

It supports the theory that they made the trade without a definitive QB in mind 'cos you don't make that move based on his college stats / how fast he runs. You've been blown away by the tape and his interviews.

I agree. But moving to #1 gets them “the guy” regardless of who that is. They don’t have to settle for anyone else. No matter who they pick, that’s the guy they really wanted and that’s enough for me, even if that ends up being a guy we think doesn’t deserve to be the top pick. 

[Ivory Panther]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There no double standard. There's more concern about Young because he's a lot smaller than Stroud. This really isn't that difficult.

This is like claiming there's a double standard by claiming a WR who ran a 4.6 40 has deep speed concerns in the NFL but no one is saying that about the 4.4 WR. Well

If 4.3 is what’s needed to be considered a deep threat & 1 WR runs 4.4 while the other runs 4.6, yes, 4.4 WR is less of a concern, but he is still a concern. 

the point I’m making.

 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Ivory Panther said:

If 4.3 is what’s needed to be considered a deep threat & 1 WR runs 4.4 while the other runs 4.6, yes, 4.4 WR is less of a concern, but he is still a concern. 

the point I’m making.

 

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/04/05/todd-mcshay-tua-tagovailoas-injuries-affect-how-i-see-bryce-young/70085705007/

[Ivory Panther]

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You can't critique his boy Young he can't handle it.  

I’m trying to keep it civil.

why is it that ppl can’t disagree here?

I’m making a counter argument which u r free to disagree with by countering the argument. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

Perhaps, but it's not like Dalton and McCown ever smoked the league, much less set it on fire. 

Why would that matter for coaching?

A lot of great coaches were mediocre players.

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Measuring tape and scales don't lie. Well, unless you spend weeks porking out at Golden Corral to step on a scale while hiding all week under a hoodie then slim back down for your Pro Day to actually do drills while declining to get back in the scale.

We're strictly talking about size here.

We're talking about a guy who is built like a slot receiver taking these types of shots.

What saves receivers is that they're typically taking these hits from DBs. The guy's typically hitting QBs are 50+ pounds heavier than those DBs.

It's a huge concern. That's all I'm saying. Anyone who acts like it isn't is just in denial.

He lived to see another day.