Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

[top dawg]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

His prior injury history has nothing to do with the concussions he suffered from being "ragged dolled"

So you say. Regardless, there was plenty of evidence to suggest that Tua would be injury prone in the NFL. That's not the case with Young.

[ForJimmy]

Just now, top dawg said:

Coaches rightfully look at injury history during evaluations. Obviously, if you have an injury history it's easier to project injuries. Injury history is real and not imagined. Projecting injuries based upon size has come to the forefront of discussions due to Young's size, and that is absolutely imagining injuries which is a slippery slope and not an evaluation of talent.

It's what they all do.  If a player is coming in outside of the norm for anything then it is going to be projected and questioned.  I remember them questioning if Cam's style of play can hold up in the NFL with bigger stronger players, or even Lamar's.  Neither of which has durability concerns in college.  They will use educated projections on every element of the player and game, especially when you are drafting 1 overall.  You don't have to agree with it, but it's what they do.  Frank Reich already said "of course it's a concern" so it is a concern to our HC who is making the pick.  

[Jackie Lee]

Another one for Stroud

 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So you say. Regardless, there was plenty of evidence to suggest that Tua would be injury prone in the NFL. That's not the case with Young.

Its not "so I say" its what it is.  Tua didnt have an issue with concussions at bama.  He does now after being hit by much bigger players.

Edited April 7, 2023 by mrcompletely11

[Pup McBarky]

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

it's pretty simple to see who they're are going to take.  

Who?

[KatsAzz]

14 hours ago, top dawg said:

I don't believe this AR story for a minute. 

Tony Pauline is like most writers, just wants to throw something out there to write about.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Pup McBarky said:

Who?

the long snapper from baylor

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's what they all do.  If a player is coming in outside of the norm for anything then it is going to be projected and questioned.  I remember them questioning if Cam's style of play can hold up in the NFL with bigger stronger players, or even Lamar's.  Neither of which has durability concerns in college.  They will use educated projections on every element of the player and game, especially when you are drafting 1 overall.  You don't have to agree with it, but it's what they do.  Frank Reich already said "of course it's a concern" so it is a concern to our HC who is making the pick.  

Acknowledged, but let's not prematurely end Reich's quote because it fits a narrative. He also said and intimated that there are way more important things to look at.

[TheMaulClaw]

Just now, Pup McBarky said:

Who?

Stroud.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Acknowledged, but let's not prematurely end Reich's quote because it fits a narrative. He also said and intimated that there are way more important things to look at.

thats not what he said

[travisura]

3 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

 I'm saying that Josh McCown raved over CJ Stroud prior to any employment with the Panthers, so we can take that as authentic.  He gets hired.  In that interview with Reich he discussed the potential qbs in the draft, not a stretch. 

Josh McCown is not the only voice in the room, nor is he the most important voice in the room.

4 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

CJ Stroud by far had the best combine when it comes to qb related drills aka throwing the ball.

Your opinion.

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

The reality is, if we truly felt that all these qbs were very close to eachother, then we probably would have just traded with AZ, kept DJ Moore, and would have gotten AR.

Saying "The reality is..." before stating your opinion, doesn't change it from still being just your opinion.

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Fitterer said himself that if you move up to number one, then you better be sold on a guy, because you are going all in at that point.  Fitterer said that prior to the trade.

He didn't say that. He said if you move up you better have conviction. It is possible to have enough conviction on multiple candidates to decide to move up, then determine who your guy is after you've made the trade.

 

I'm seeing a whole lot of speculation based off of nothing but your own opinion here.

 

[Pup McBarky]

1 minute ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Stroud.

I think so too, but I wouldn't be shocked if they took Young. 

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Acknowledged, but let's not prematurely end Reich's quote because it fits a narrative. He also said and intimated that there are way more important things to look at.

For the record I think Young can be successful despite his size.  I think it's something that shouldn't be ignored and pretend like it's not big deal.  His pocket awareness and IQ can help avoid some of those hits, but he will probably need to change his style of play to a degree.  Here are the two full quotes to keep it completely honest.  He is saying exactly was @LinvilleGorgeand others are on this thread.  It's a concern, but doesn't mean he can't be successful or we should pass on his at 1.  It is "absolutely" a concern though...

"Is Bryce Young's height (5-10) a factor for the Panthers in evaluating the Bama quarterback for the top pick? Says Frank Reich: 'Absolutely that is a consideration. It's also a consideration...his playmaking ability, his accuracy and his leadership, his instincts.'"

"Frank Reich said durability concerns more the discussion with Bryce Young than batted passes, etc. Not much data to look at with small QBs b/c there haven’t been many. Points to Barry Sanders and Marvin Harrison as 2 small non-QBs who instinctively avoided big hits."

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/bryce-young-height-frank-reich-carolina-panthers

 

[Ivory Panther]

11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Coaches rightfully look at injury history during evaluations. Obviously, if you have an injury history it's easier to project (or at least imagine) injuries. Injury history is real and not imagined. Projecting injuries based upon size has come to the forefront of discussions due to Young's size, and that is absolutely imagining injuries, which is absolutely a slippery slope, and not an evaluation of talent.

I find it interesting that the debate has moved to a specific kind of injury, once Tua's college injury history was brought into the fold.

So I'm genuinely curious about College concussion protocol. We all know that before the NFL changed its policy due to a law suits, concussions weren't a thing. 

Even with the new policy from the NFL where you have a 3rd party doctor in the stands reviewing hits for potential (I believe) some concussions still go unchecked like the one of the ones Tua appeared to have suffered.

So, I'm curious to know what the NCAA or SEC policy on concussions.

How do they catch them?

are they relying on players to come forward? or team staff to police it?

Unless they have a similar policy like the NFL with 3rd party, for all we know, Tua had already suffered several concussions in college but were never reported by him or anyone.

You can't find something you don't check for, hence the reason, many concussions before this past decade were never reported in the NFL.