Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Stroud is hardly an SUV, and that Miata has held up just as well, if not better.

It was a clear exaggeration that larger items/people can handle the same impact better than smaller ones all things else being equal.  It's just physics.  

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Ivory Panther said:

Bro relax!

not saying bryce size is not. Simply saying CJ is smaller than Tua who is the poster child for QB injuries right now, so if size for QB is a concern, there should be concerns for CJ as well. Lesser concerned than bryce but still a concern which I have yet to see. 

You've said numerous times you personally are not worried about his size and the issue is overblown. 

[Ivory Panther]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

You've said numerous times you personally are not worried about his size and the issue is overblown. 

It’s not a concern to me.
But I understand it is to many. 
pretty simple concept to understand! Lol

[top dawg]

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Everything is technically "imagined" right now as none of these guys have taken one NFL snap.  Part of the evaluation process is projecting how their skills will translate to the NFL.  It's no secret his size is conering to some teams.  It's why he isn't the clear cut top choice.  Also I don't recall Kyler getting many injuries in college if any at all.  

Coaches rightfully look at injury history during evaluations. Obviously, if you have an injury history it's easier to project (or at least imagine) injuries. Injury history is real and not imagined. Projecting injuries based upon size has come to the forefront of discussions due to Young's size, and that is absolutely imagining injuries, which is absolutely a slippery slope, and not an evaluation of talent.

Edited April 7, 2023 by top dawg

[mrcompletely11]

29 minutes ago, top dawg said:

To each his own. 

Tua came into the league with real injury concerns. Young will come into the league with imagined injury concerns. 

His prior injury history has nothing to do with the concussions he suffered from being "ragged dolled"

[TheMaulClaw]

35 minutes ago, travisura said:

The problem is that the exact same logic that you're using to claim we moved up for CJ, is also being used to claim we moved up for AR.

That's not a problem.  You're speaking stricly from the perspective of moving up after the combine.  I'm saying that Josh McCown raved over CJ Stroud prior to any employment with the Panthers, so we can take that as authentic.  He gets hired.  In that interview with Reich he discussed the potential qbs in the draft, not a stretch.  CJ Stroud by far had the best combine when it comes to qb related drills aka throwing the ball. AR is a freak though (he's my qb2)  Young doesn't even participate.   We move up in the draft before we see Youngs workout.  Now the media is trying to paint this like we moved up to number one so we could take our time and go through this evaluation process.  The reality is, if we truly felt that all these qbs were very close to eachother, then we probably would have just traded with AZ, kept DJ Moore, and would have gotten AR.  This would have benefited Chicago in what they were going to demand in a trade if we did this.  Fitterer said himself that if you move up to number one, then you better be sold on a guy, because you are going all in at that point.  Fitterer said that prior to the trade.

This isn't hard to put the pieces together, but it's good that they've thrown up good smokescreens.  The reality is, if you look at the Panthers' actions it's pretty simple to see who they're are going to take.  

The media doesn't want you to know who the Panthers are taking because it's not good for ratings when it comes to the draft, that's smart business.  That's all we're seeing here.

[top dawg]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

His prior injury history has nothing to do with the concussions he suffered from being "ragged dolled"

So you say. Regardless, there was plenty of evidence to suggest that Tua would be injury prone in the NFL. That's not the case with Young.

[ForJimmy]

Just now, top dawg said:

Coaches rightfully look at injury history during evaluations. Obviously, if you have an injury history it's easier to project injuries. Injury history is real and not imagined. Projecting injuries based upon size has come to the forefront of discussions due to Young's size, and that is absolutely imagining injuries which is a slippery slope and not an evaluation of talent.

It's what they all do.  If a player is coming in outside of the norm for anything then it is going to be projected and questioned.  I remember them questioning if Cam's style of play can hold up in the NFL with bigger stronger players, or even Lamar's.  Neither of which has durability concerns in college.  They will use educated projections on every element of the player and game, especially when you are drafting 1 overall.  You don't have to agree with it, but it's what they do.  Frank Reich already said "of course it's a concern" so it is a concern to our HC who is making the pick.  

[Jackie Lee]

Another one for Stroud

 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So you say. Regardless, there was plenty of evidence to suggest that Tua would be injury prone in the NFL. That's not the case with Young.

Its not "so I say" its what it is.  Tua didnt have an issue with concussions at bama.  He does now after being hit by much bigger players.

Edited April 7, 2023 by mrcompletely11

[Pup McBarky]

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

it's pretty simple to see who they're are going to take.  

Who?

[KatsAzz]

14 hours ago, top dawg said:

I don't believe this AR story for a minute. 

Tony Pauline is like most writers, just wants to throw something out there to write about.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Pup McBarky said:

Who?

the long snapper from baylor

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's what they all do.  If a player is coming in outside of the norm for anything then it is going to be projected and questioned.  I remember them questioning if Cam's style of play can hold up in the NFL with bigger stronger players, or even Lamar's.  Neither of which has durability concerns in college.  They will use educated projections on every element of the player and game, especially when you are drafting 1 overall.  You don't have to agree with it, but it's what they do.  Frank Reich already said "of course it's a concern" so it is a concern to our HC who is making the pick.  

Acknowledged, but let's not prematurely end Reich's quote because it fits a narrative. He also said and intimated that there are way more important things to look at.