Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

[travisura]

1 minute ago, TheMaulClaw said:

It's not just that.  When you combine that with the face that our QB coach literally compared the guy to Joe Burrow weeks before he was hired, that can't be ignored.

You don't think Reich discussed the draft class with McCown before he was hired?

The problem is that the exact same logic that you're using to claim we moved up for CJ, is also being used to claim we moved up for AR.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, travisura said:

We're talking about a difference of a couple of pounds. Essentially the difference is nonexistent in terms of weight, but keep telling yourself what you need to to get by. Like others have said, if you're concerned about CJ's injury likelihood because of his size then Young shouldn't be on your draft board at all. This is why it's so easy to discern where your argument is really coming from. 

Tua was injected into this argument as a means to make an argument against Young. Just because he turned it, don't get mad.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

Never said it is the same thing. That doesn’t make any sense!

Yes bryce should have more concerns than anyone in this draft class or even ever. That’s legit! 

however, if u use Tua as a barometer of size linked to injury & CJ is the same size or smaller, logically CJ should have concerns as well, albeit less than Bryce. 

that’s a pretty easy concept to me.  

I'll say again. We aren't choosing between Young and Tua. We're choosing between Young and Stroud. Tua is just a recent NFL comp for how an undersized QB has been repeatedly ragdolled and injured. Young is a lot smaller than Stroud and has less frame to build on thus were a lot more concerned about Young in this regard than Stroud.

It's really that simple. You're acting like people are treating Stroud like he's Wolverine or something and that's just not the case.

You've said yourself that Young is smaller and thus there is more injury concern there so what are you really even arguing about? You're all in on Young. Cool. But don't get triggered by folks talking about concerns about his size. The concerns are very real

 

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

All QBs take hits. That goes for all QBs. 

Yeah agreed, but the smaller size one taking hits is more concerning.  Does it mean he shouldn't go 1?  No.  It's is his biggest concern.  I don't hear scouts/analysts showing concern about the other QBs being durable in the NFL.  

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

All QBs take hits. That goes for all QBs. 

All receivers take hits.

If you've got the choice of who to send over the middle, are you picking Anquan Boldin or Tutu Atwell?

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Tua was injected into this argument as a means to make an argument against Young. Just because he turned it, don't get mad.

Yes a QB who is larger than Young, but still considered undersized was brought in to show concerns as stated by McShay.  He even mentioned if Young was 6'2" 220 he wouldn't be nearly as concerned.  It's one of the reasons Stroud could be considered "safer" by some teams.  

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/04/05/todd-mcshay-tua-tagovailoas-injuries-affect-how-i-see-bryce-young/70085705007/

McShay: Tua Tagovailoa ‘getting rag-dolled' raises concerns about Bryce Young's durability

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

All receivers take hits.

If you've got the choice of who to send over the middle, are you picking Anquan Boldin or Tutu Atwell?

Boldin because he was the better receiver.

Edited April 7, 2023 by top dawg

[top dawg]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Yes a QB who is larger than Young, but still considered undersized was brought in to show concerns as stated by McShay.  He even mentioned if Young was 6'2" 220 he wouldn't be nearly as concerned.  It's one of the reasons Stroud could be considered "safer" by some teams.  

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/04/05/todd-mcshay-tua-tagovailoas-injuries-affect-how-i-see-bryce-young/70085705007/

McShay: Tua Tagovailoa ‘getting rag-dolled' raises concerns about Bryce Young's durability

To each his own. 

Tua came into the league with real injury concerns. Young will come into the league with imagined injury concerns. 

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

All receivers take hits.

If you've got the choice of who to send over the middle, are you picking Anquan Boldin or Tutu Atwell?

I feel like people are arguing against physics...  Would you feel safer getting in the same wreck in a SUV or a Miata? 

[Ivory Panther]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'll say again. We aren't choosing between Young and Tua. We're choosing between Young and Stroud. Tua is just a recent NFL comp for how an undersized QB has been repeatedly ragdolled and injured. Young is a lot smaller than Stroud and has less frame to build on thus were a lot more concerned about Young in this regard than Stroud.

It's really that simple. You're acting like people are treating Stroud like he's Wolverine or something and that's just not the case.

You've said yourself that Young is smaller and thus there is more injury concern there so what are you really even arguing about? You're all in on Young. Cool. But don't get triggered by folks talking about concerns about his size. The concerns are very real

 

I’ll never argue bryce size is not & concern because it is for many ppl. Even though it’s not a big deal to me, I understand folks for whom it is. 
so I’m definitely not getting triggered by that.

What I have explained abt CJ & Tua is pretty clear, so if u don’t get it, that’s fine as well.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

To each his own. 

Tua came into the league with real injury concerns. Young will come into the league with imagined injury concerns. 

Tua had totally different injuries in college.  I don't think he had any concussions at Alabama?  

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

I’ll never argue bryce size is not & concern because it is for many ppl. Even though it’s not a big deal to me, I understand folks for whom it is. 
so I’m definitely not getting triggered by that.

What I have explained abt CJ & Tua is pretty clear, so if u don’t get it, that’s fine as well.

But no one is arguing Stroud's size is of zero concern. If Young wasn't in this draft and Stroud was there at his size beside Richardson and Levis then there would be more talk of Stroud's size. But Young is in this draft and his size is of much more concern than Stroud's. Stroud is on the smaller size of "check the box size" for an NFL QB. But Young is waaaaaaay below it.

It'd be like having a 290 pound DT prospect and the fans of the 250 pound DT prospect point to him and say "Hey, he's not ideal size either!" 

Yeah, he's not but he's just smaller than ideal while your guy is "he'll be the smallest guy to ever succeed at this position in the modern NFL" size.

[Shocker]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Tua had totally different injuries in college.  I don't think he had any concussions at Alabama?  

Tua was clearly more injury prone coming into the NFL.  It was unfortunate for him and not his fault but the injury history was there.  Young’s size is a concern and I won’t deny it but any of these guys can get injured.  It’s a risk for every player

[top dawg]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Tua had totally different injuries in college.  I don't think he had any concussions at Alabama?  

Serious injury, nonetheless. And not only a serious knee injury, but a history of injury. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2020/4/23/21223883/tua-tagovailoa-injuries-timeline-nfl-draft-2020-alabama-miami-dolphins

The concussion thing is unfortunate. But to compare Tua and Young without looking at the complete picture just lacks credibility in my eyes.