Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

[Mr. Scot]

6 hours ago, Jaxel said:

This whole "we moved up right after the combine so it must be Stroud or Richardson" makes me laugh. When, otherwise, we're we supposed to move up? It was reported a billion times that the ideal time to move up was before free agency started to have flexibility, it has nothing to do with who dominated the combine.

The behind the scenes timeline of the negotiations blows up that narrative.

[travisura]

1 minute ago, Ivory Panther said:

I’m trying to keep it civil.

why is it that ppl can’t disagree here?

I’m making a counter argument which u r free to disagree with by countering the argument. 

No one here is being uncivil. Your argument hinges on your assertion that CJ is smaller than Tua, and that's just not the case. You're just coping because most folks are worried about Young's small frame and you're trying to conjure any reason you can as to why we should also be worried about CJ.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Ivory Panther said:

I’m trying to keep it civil.

why is it that ppl can’t disagree here?

I’m making a counter argument which u r free to disagree with by countering the argument. 

Someone stated a universal critique about Young.  His size is concerning especially after what happened to Tua who is larger than him.  So you try to say we should be concerned about another larger QB's size to counter it.  That's just nonsense.  So if the 6'3" 220 guy is "concerning" what does that make the 5'10" 190 guy?  Off draft boards?

Someone critiqued your guy and you couldn't handle it.  This is what you can't grasp.  Most people on here have no problem with Young, but we can't have a normal conversation about his strengths and weaknesses without some off the wall debate.  All the QBs in this draft have weaknesses and yes the Tua injury raises eyebrows about Young's size.  Todd McShay already said this exact thing.  

[Mr. Scot]

45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I know a lot of people are making this argument but it's just a weird argument to make when I saw Tua getting ragdolled and brain damaged this year with my own two eyes.

And Young is smaller 

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Why would that matter for coaching?

A lot of great coaches were mediocre players.

The context wasn't really about coaching. In my opinion, a good QB coach should be able to coach to a man's strengths and minimize his weaknesses. I'm going to believe that McCown can do that based upon the great things I've heard about him. I refuse to believe that he can only coach guys that ostensibly are like him, and that's what the replier was trying to intimate.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

He lived to see another day.

Yeah he was also playing hurt that day and had to rehab his shoulder afterwards.  Now imagine this happening more often with bigger faster players.  If someone survives a car crash it doesn't mean that will survive the next one right?

[travisura]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Someone stated a universal critique about Young.  His size is concerning especially after what happened to Tua who is larger than him.  So you try to say we should be concerned about another larger QB's size to counter it.  That's just nonsense.  So if the 6'3" 220 guy is "concerning" what does that make the 5'10" 190 guy?  Off draft boards?

Someone critiqued your guy and you couldn't handle it.  This is what you can't grasp.  Most people on here have no problem with Young, but we can't have a normal conversation about his strengths and weaknesses without some off the wall debate.  All the QBs in this draft have weaknesses and yes the Tua injury raises eyebrows about Young's size.  Todd McShay already said this exact thing.  

[Ivory Panther]

1 minute ago, travisura said:

No one here is being uncivil. Your argument hinges on your assertion that CJ is smaller than Tua, and that's just not the case. You're just coping because most folks are worried about Young's small frame and you're trying to conjure any reason you can as to why we should also be worried about CJ.

CJ is not bigger than Tua weight wise & that’s a proven fact!

yes, many ppl r concerned abt Bryce size & that’s just a fact.

yes I believe ppl should be somewhat concerned abt CJ size if Tua size is a concern as the reason for his injuries.

That’s where I stand & these are clear simple concepts to me. You are welcome to disagree as I’m not trying to convince u of anything. 

[LinvilleGorge]

18 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

If 4.3 is what’s needed to be considered a deep threat & 1 WR runs 4.4 while the other runs 4.6, yes, 4.4 WR is less of a concern, but he is still a concern. 

the point I’m making.

 

No one here is acting like CJ Stroud is immune from any and all injury. We're just saying that it's a lot bigger concern for Young both because of his current size and likely future size projections.

This attempted rationale to act like 6'3" 215ish and 5'10" ??? (probably 190ish at best) is the same thing is just baffling.

[DrowsyJungle]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah he was also playing hurt that day and had to rehab his shoulder afterwards.  Now imagine this happening more often with bigger faster players.  If someone survives a car crash it doesn't mean that will survive the next one right?

Also, his momentum was already going down from the slide so that lessoned the impact. Getting hit on the blindside by a guy that weighs 100 pounds more while getting driven to the ground from an upright position is going to feel a bit different for sure.

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah he was also playing hurt that day and had to rehab his shoulder afterwards.  Now imagine this happening more often with bigger faster players.  If someone survives a car crash it doesn't mean that will survive the next one right?

All QBs take hits. That goes for all QBs. 

[TheMaulClaw]

6 hours ago, Jaxel said:

This whole "we moved up right after the combine so it must be Stroud or Richardson" makes me laugh. When, otherwise, we're we supposed to move up? It was reported a billion times that the ideal time to move up was before free agency started to have flexibility, it has nothing to do with who dominated the combine.

It's not just that.  When you combine that with the fact that our QB coach literally compared the guy to Joe Burrow weeks before he was hired, that can't be ignored.

You don't think Reich discussed the draft class with McCown before he was hired?

Edited April 7, 2023 by TheMaulClaw

[travisura]

3 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

CJ is not bigger than Tua weight wise & that’s a proven fact!

yes, many ppl r concerned abt Bryce size & that’s just a fact.

yes I believe ppl should be somewhat concerned abt CJ size if Tua size is a concern as the reason for his injuries.

That’s where I stand & these are clear simple concepts to me. You are welcome to disagree as I’m not trying to convince u of anything. 

We're talking about a difference of a couple of pounds. Essentially the difference is nonexistent in terms of weight, but keep telling yourself what you need to to get by. Like others have said, if you're concerned about CJ's injury likelihood because of his size then Young shouldn't be on your draft board at all. This is why it's so easy to discern where your argument is really coming from. 

[Ivory Panther]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

No one here is acting like CJ Stroud is immune from any and all injury. We're just saying that it's a lot bigger concern for Young both because of his current size and likely future size projections.

This attempted rationale to act like 6'3" 215ish and 5'10" ??? (probably 190ish at best) is the same thing is just baffling.

Never said it is the same thing. That doesn’t make any sense!

Yes bryce should have more concerns than anyone in this draft class or even ever. That’s legit! 

however, if u use Tua as a barometer of size linked to injury & CJ is the same size or smaller, logically CJ should have concerns as well, albeit less than Bryce. 

that’s a pretty easy concept to me.