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Pauline believes it's Stroud, but Reich wants AR

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1 hour ago, Daniel Mullaly said:

Did they pay a steep price to get AR at No 1? Yeah. But if they were worried that he wouldn’t absolutely be available at a lower pick, then jumping to get “the guy” is absolutely worth it. Is he going to be the pick? I doubt it. But if he is, then I’ll be all-in on it. 

If they take Richardson (they won't) then he's won them over since the trade.

It supports the theory that they made the trade without a definitive QB in mind 'cos you don't make that move based on his college stats / how fast he runs. You've been blown away by the tape and his interviews.

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

A) You can't ignore the size.

B) I'm not sure he does have the best tape (especially when it comes to projection)

A) Nobody is ignoring the size. What some analysts have said is that they don't believe size is as big of a concern in today's NFL than it was many years ago due to all the changes. Most who prefer him are saying that the risk is we'll worth the reward.

B) He absolutely does have the best tape, which is probably the most weighted item when it comes to projection and grading. And, honestly, he did more with less against better competition.

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4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

 

B) He absolutely does have the best tape, which is probably the most weighted item when it comes to projection and grading. And, honestly, he did more with less against better competition.

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12 minutes ago, top dawg said:

A) Nobody is ignoring the size. What some analysts have said is that they don't believe size is as big of a concern in today's NFL than it was many years ago due to all the changes. Most who prefer him are saying that the risk is we'll worth the reward.

I know a lot of people are making this argument but it's just a weird argument to make when I saw Tua getting ragdolled and brain damaged this year with my own two eyes.

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13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

A) Nobody is ignoring the size. What some analysts have said is that they don't believe size is as big of a concern in today's NFL than it was many years ago due to all the changes. Most who prefer him are saying that the risk is we'll worth the reward.

B) He absolutely does have the best tape, which is probably the most weighted item when it comes to projection and grading. And, honestly, he did more with less against better competition.

Young has great tape and probably the best of the bunch, but it's far from perfect.  Watch him against LSU (who probably has the best DL talent of any team he played last year).  Their athletic defensive front gave him issues and that's something he will face every year in the NFL.  He also had a great OL and the best RB out of all of the prospects.  Stroud had the best WR by a long shot (and probably the best OL) while Young had the best RB.  It really is hard to project college QBs in the NFL and I'm glad it isn't my job to do so.  

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I know a lot of people are making this argument but it's just a weird argument to make when I saw Tua getting ragdolled and brain damaged this year with my own two eyes.

Valid point.
here is what I don’t understand however.

Tua is bigger than CJ (weight wise), so why is it that ppl who are concerned abt Tua’s injuries don’t seem concerned abt CJ’s injury risk? 

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6 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

Valid point.
here is what I don’t understand however.

Tua is bigger than CJ (weight wise), so why is it that ppl who are concerned abt Tua’s injuries don’t seem concerned abt CJ’s injury risk? 

Because people are more concerned about Young because he's considerably smaller still than Stroud. 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I know a lot of people are making this argument but it's just a weird argument to make when I saw Tua getting ragdolled and brain damaged this year with my own two eyes.

Not trying to be funny, but I find it weird when people compare one QB to another QB in general, especially before they even play their first down in the league. No two people are equal. They just aren't. The closest thing you'll find to equal are twins, and twins aren't even equal. Just because Tua is prone to concussions or gets ragdolled doesn't automatically mean that Young is prone to concussions and will get ragdolled.

Tua came into the league with an injury history. Young will not. Splitting hairs, Young's injury history is better than Stroud's.

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Because people are more concerned about Young because he's considerably smaller still than Stroud. 

I get the “more” concern argument. But if ur solution is a guy smaller than Tua, it doesn’t make sense…

that’s why that argument feels bogus to me when it comes to CJ vs Bryce. 
 

They are both small anyway, if u compare them to Tua.

So if size is a real concerned which should prevent a pick, AR & Levis should be the only consideration logically. 

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5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not trying to be funny, but I find it weird when people compare one QB to another QB in general, especially before they even play their first down in the league. No two people are equal. They just aren't. The closest thing you'll find to equal are twins, and twins aren't even equal. Just because Tua is prone to concussions or gets ragdolled doesn't automatically mean that Young is prone to concussions and will get ragdolled.

Tua came into the league with an injury history. Young will not. Splitting hairs, Young's injury history is better than Stroud's.

Measuring tape and scales don't lie. Well, unless you spend weeks porking out at Golden Corral to step on a scale while hiding all week under a hoodie then slim back down for your Pro Day to actually do drills while declining to get back in the scale.

We're strictly talking about size here.

We're talking about a guy who is built like a slot receiver taking these types of shots.

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What saves receivers is that they're typically taking these hits from DBs. The guy's typically hitting QBs are 50+ pounds heavier than those DBs.

It's a huge concern. That's all I'm saying. Anyone who acts like it isn't is just in denial.

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