PETER KING with the latest: there are several within Panthers organization that favor Bryce Young

[OldhamA]

7 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's very suspicious both TD and Smitty think AR will be the guy.

 

Something tells me AR is right in there with Stroud/Young. This might be a 3 horse race right down to the wire.

When did Steve Smith say he thinks Richardson is the guy?

[OldhamA]

8 hours ago, poundaway said:

The reverse is also true.  If you pick Stroud and Young tears it up while Stroud has trouble transitioning, the GM may end up unemployed.

Both are pretty accurate, had decent weapons, sat behind excellent lines and faced tough competition.  Both have shown magic. 

Stroud is 5 inches taller, heavier, and appears to have  a slightly bigger arm.

Young just appears smarter, sneakier, and quicker than Stroud.    Its hard to measure those things, and who knows how either is going to progress in those areas.  We know Young is not going to get taller.   If Young was Stroud's height, I don't think there would be as many Stroud supporters. 

Right now, I'm leaning toward Young.  I'd like to watch Young's worst game, does anybody know what Young's worst game was?

 

But Young isn't 6'3".

It's like saying if Darnold had Peyton Manning's brain he'd be the MVP. He doesn't, so he's on his third NFL team in four years. 

[OldhamA]

8 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

It certainly is a concern!

But I think some ppl are overreacting to it, some even going as far as predicting injuries 100% because of it. These are the ppl I really don't understand.

I respect the opinion of ppl who think CJ is flat out better regardless of size, so he should be the pick. I disagree with it, but at least they want to take the better QB in their opinion regardless of size.

But I don't understand the ppl who say Bryce is better but let's take CJ because he is 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier right now...

To me, we need to go with the best QB regardless of size, because nobody can predict injuries.   

I think Young is the better College QB. I think Stroud will be the better NFL QB.

A portion of that is down to his size, but not all of it. I don't think he can see the middle of the field (see below), I don't think he has a good NFL arm and I just think he'll get crumpled by NFL athletes. 

His off-script style of play (which he resorts to cos he misses reads imo) doesn't work without having an elite intangible - for Murray and Wilson (two QBs of similar height) it's due to their mobility, which I don't think Young has. For Mahomes it's due to his ridiculous arm which Young definitely doesn't have. 

I'm actually not fully convinced by Stroud either - his arm strength is 'good enough', but he's going to have to throw with a ton of anticipation for it to work in the NFL. 

[Basbear]

46 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I’ve been with Stroud for some months, but I think I’ve slowly moved over to the Young side. I’ll be happy with either, but I think I want Young more

Ask yourself this- Is it ok for a QB to constantly be on the tippest point of their toes when making throws?

[OldhamA]

9 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

I've my money on ppl thinking Bryce Young size talk was so RIDICULOUS kind of like Rashan Slater arm length or Kenny Pickett hand size etc...

Kenny Pickett has 7 (passing) TDs, 9 INTs and 4 fumbles my dude. 

[Basbear]

6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Kenny Pickett has 7 (passing) TDs, 9 INTs and 4 fumbles my dude. 

Slater popped his bicep too.....

[Chief Keek]

Another thread, another debate, more speculation!

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

Dalton is here for reasons, not to say I want AR......Id just be more team AR if they still had the 9th pick...... Ive said this before too, if panthers had a eagles or 49ers roster and traded up to #1........AR would my top pick.

Panthers are not close in talent, so need to focus on who can lead this team. God didnt bless young with the size, weight, and speed. Stroud it is then.

I went back and watched some young stuff, he does throw lots while on the tips of his toes.....and its all full effort and whole body. Stroud is just a bigger young and has no need to do either of those. I think if you switched both, be the same results(team-wise). I just can not overlook the size, young doesnt have the quick speed like a murray/vick......If he did Id have a much harder time...

"young doesnt have the quick speed like a murray/vick......If he did Id have a much harder time..."

Usually when we're talking about elite talent in the NFL they aren't one or two dimensional.

What Vick and Murray give up in size they made up for with speed, especially Vick. All the improvisational stuff will be studied and taken away by NFL DCs a little every game until you have to rely on the fundamentals to win at QB because there is no extra time to buy in the NFL. Those rainbows and cupcakes won't happen enough to actually win games.

Someone speaking on STROUD said if they didn't cover every option he'd find the open man and make them pay every time. That's system, reading, throwing on platform, sounds like building on rock not the sands of improvisation.

And the nail in the coffin...

 

[ickmule]

Young will be a huge mistake. Hopefully these clowns making the decisions don’t over think this one and screw it’s up.  Sadly I have zero faith in anything Tepper has his hands  on outside of hedge funds. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by ickmule

[Basbear]

28 minutes ago, Chief Keek said:

Another thread, another debate, more speculation!

Im at 85% stroud and thats a strong&tall 85..... The NFL media is in the business of making it a young vs stroud deal, but I feel the first sentence. They have made me drop stroud form 97% to 85, so congrats to them.......

They are doing their job to make this feel like a unclear pick and they are pulling out alllllllllllllll the tricks. Plus it seems most of the "only young at all cost" are of the low posting numbers and new account types.........just murkin this board with.... 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Basbear

[rippadonn]

Rainbows...

A Leprechaun, hope and a little magic!

[Proudiddy]

If we take young, we are about to fug this up so bad.

[Jackie Lee]

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

If we take young, we are about to fug this up so bad.

I'd rather our coaches coach up Stroud to his full potential and have a full playbook than spend half their energy game planning around Youngs limitations. Young stans can't deny that he will limit the playbook and force the O-line to be near perfect so he can have his 3 second scramble/8 yard drop back game work at the NFL level

[CamWhoaaCam]

13 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

If we take young, we are about to fug this up so bad.

Even the mods on the hate train smh