Cynthia Frelund with an interesting analytics look at CJ Stroud and Bryce Young

[Jaxel]

I mean, most reports from local and team writers say is Bryce or Stroud. The only noises about Richardson are coming from national voices, mostly led by Dan Orvlosky.

[Sgt Schultz]

3 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

I also remember Darnold getting crushed a few times waiting so long...can't wait to see Young get bear hugged by a 6'5 340 lb dude.

That's my concern.  Banking on a young QB that is 5' 10-1/2 and probably legitimately 195 is a big gamble. 

I know, the NFL protects QBs but that is about like finding out the local police department  closes 97% of homocide cases.  Great, and it probably cuts down on murder, but it doesn't mean much for those attending the funeral, nor fans seeing the penalty flag next to the guy stretched out on the field.

Young is going to get hit, and his general build raises concerns about his ability to withstand it.

I won't be upset if they draft him, but I will hold my breath every time he gets wallopped, penalty flag or no.

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

That's my concern.  Banking on a young QB that is 5' 10-1/2 and probably legitimately 195 is a big gamble. 

I know, the NFL protects QBs but that is about like finding out the local police department  closes 97% of homocide cases.  Great, and it probably cuts down on murder, but it doesn't mean much for those attending the funeral, nor fans seeing the penalty flag next to the guy stretched out on the field.

Young is going to get hit, and his general build raises concerns about his ability to withstand it.

I won't be upset if they draft him, but I will hold my breath every time he gets wallopped, penalty flag or no.

Well if you listen to some folks here bc bigger frame QB's have gotten injured too that somehow means it won't happen to Bryce Young. Which is bizarre to say the least because if I'm looking at the situation I'm saying the opposite. Seeing someone like Darnold get sent to IR by the Falcons tells me all I need to know about the likelihood of one the smaller framed QB's in recent years surviving a 10+ year career without accumulating some injuries along the way. If he's your guy in my mind you have to change your offensive approach not just in game planning but you need an even heavier emphasis on offensive line. And even then there are still going to be  certain situations where you are simply at a disadvantage. Like QB sneaks in short yardage situations which Reich likes to run if I'm not mistaken. That's not happening with Young.

[Doc Holiday]

On 3/31/2023 at 4:40 AM, rayzor said:

Stroud is the safest bet of this class because of his style of play and his approach to the game.

Like I've said many times, I'd be thrilled as can be to have either him or Young and maybe even AR, because I think all 3 could be special if put in the correct situation (and I think ours is the best one any of them could hope for). 

But AR and Young are more of a gamble than Stroud. 

I wish we just had one more season of tape on AR. I ain’t gonna lie dudes built like a beast. But you don’t draft projects 1 overall.

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

I wish we just had one more season of tape on AR. I ain’t gonna lie dudes built like a beast. But you don’t draft projects 1 overall.

If you do, you better be beyond confident that 1) he can be the greatest and 2) you've got what it takes to get him there. 

[mrcompletely11]

29 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

I wish we just had one more season of tape on AR. I ain’t gonna lie dudes built like a beast. But you don’t draft projects 1 overall.

What's nuts is his frame can easily handle another 15-20 lbs

Edited April 1, 2023 by mrcompletely11

[LinvilleGorge]

26 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If you do, you better be beyond confident that 1) he can be the greatest and 2) you've got what it takes to get him there. 

This. I think a lot of people have forgotten because of how good he turned out to be right away that Cam was considered a project too.

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

That's my concern.  Banking on a young QB that is 5' 10-1/2 and probably legitimately 195 is a big gamble. 

I know, the NFL protects QBs but that is about like finding out the local police department  closes 97% of homocide cases.  Great, and it probably cuts down on murder, but it doesn't mean much for those attending the funeral, nor fans seeing the penalty flag next to the guy stretched out on the field.

Young is going to get hit, and his general build raises concerns about his ability to withstand it.

I won't be upset if they draft him, but I will hold my breath every time he gets wallopped, penalty flag or no.

You also have to think that in the NFL, probably half of the DE's and all linebackers will be just as fast as he is. So his mobility isn't going to be nearly as much of an advantage at this level. Add in the fact that he's got Jimmy Clausen Arm strength and I'd be worried. You also saw the drop off between last year and this year after he lost two first round receivers, even with a Kamara clan in Gibbs and the still, Uber talented receivers Bama has.

Maybe the experts have it right but man, trading all of what we did to move up and rolling the dice on Young breaking the mold? We rolled the dice on Cam because he, at the time, was a unicorn, much like Richardson but with much better mechanics. 

You're on the opposite end of the spectrum with Bryce where he has to do everything in spite of his size and lack of elite traits. I'm just not buying that Levis, Richardson, and Stroud wouldn't have done just as well if not better than Young if they were at Bama. Thats the thing. 

If you substitute any one of these QB's for each other, what would it look like? Levis has the arm and some of his throws are very NFL-esque where he is holding safeties with his eyes then making the throw 0.5 seconds later to a tiny opening. He's making timing throws, reading and holding safeties, calling protections and audibles, playing with half as much talent at Kentucky as Young has had.

I don't know man. My order would be Stroud, Levis, Richardson, Haener, Hooker, Young. I can bookmark this to revisit in December but I really think, in terms of NFL success, that's what it's going to look like. If Levis falls and I'm the Steelers, I may even consider picking him up in the 1st and offloading Pickett. 

[rebelrouser]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. I think a lot of people have forgotten because of how good he turned out to be right away that Cam was considered a project too.

Cam had66.1% completion percentage with 30 td's and 7 ints and 1473 yds rushing.

AR had 53.8% completion percentage with 17td's and 9 ints and 654 yds rushing.

 

Both may have been projects but AR is a much bigger and more difficult project. Cam took over games all by himself and dominated in college. AR looked good against Utah and then horrible when it really counted. Cam's AU was much better than AR's UF but still. Not remotely close as candidates.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

LIES. AR has the highest ceiling of any QB in NFL history ... and all NFL future. We KNOW this because ... well ... um ... wait, why do we know this? OH! We just do.

[LinvilleGorge]

49 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Cam had66.1% completion percentage with 30 td's and 7 ints and 1473 yds rushing.

AR had 53.8% completion percentage with 17td's and 9 ints and 654 yds rushing.

 

Both may have been projects but AR is a much bigger and more difficult project. Cam took over games all by himself and dominated in college. AR looked good against Utah and then horrible when it really counted. Cam's AU was much better than AR's UF but still. Not remotely close as candidates.

Yeah, no doubt Cam was a much better college player.

[LinvilleGorge]

28 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

LIES. AR has the highest ceiling of any QB in NFL history ... and all NFL future. We KNOW this because ... well ... um ... wait, why do we know this? OH! We just do.

You seem bothered.

[rayzor]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. I think a lot of people have forgotten because of how good he turned out to be right away that Cam was considered a project too.

That's true. But I think he was a lot further along in his development and ability than AR. People made a big deal about him only having one year starting experience in the NCAA, but I think that one year at Blinn also helped him a lot and he went undefeated there and at Auburn setting records. And he's pretty much the reason both programs went undefeated. 

Cam had more at the table in college and the pros than AR, but Cam was also 2 years older than AR is going into the draft. 

AR is green, but he's also incredibly young too. The video of him with Mooch in the QB room where he has to recollect a play exactly after a little conversation impressed the hell out of me. The guy has it clicking in his head and I think I  that regard I think he's more prepared for the pros than Cam was. 

[rayzor]

55 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Cam had66.1% completion percentage with 30 td's and 7 ints and 1473 yds rushing.

AR had 53.8% completion percentage with 17td's and 9 ints and 654 yds rushing.

 

Both may have been projects but AR is a much bigger and more difficult project. Cam took over games all by himself and dominated in college. AR looked good against Utah and then horrible when it really counted. Cam's AU was much better than AR's UF but still. Not remotely close as candidates.

Cam was also older and more experienced.