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Dan orlovsky on AR post pro day

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4 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Has anyone actually talked to any Florida fans about him? I feel like it’s pretty telling that the mass majority of them think he was hot garbage. 
 

Are we really buying that he’s in consideration?

I live 20 miles north of BYU and it was pretty much unanimous that Wilson would fail horribly in the NFL, even by fans who beloved him. Also, fans of our past players from my area (Gross, Smitty, Lotuleilei) had them accurately pegged as well.

Over the years I’ve come to take college fans’ a bit more seriously, even though I don’t watch college. Not to say they can’t be wrong.

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7 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Yeah no poo. He's a terrible QB but great in underwear olympics

When I think of the all time QB greats, I don’t necessarily see “freak athlete” across the board. Not that those traits aren’t important to some degree. 

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5 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Maybe not playbook but it changes how the O-line is built, and probably how routes are ran and everything

They built their offensive line to match their scheme and, most importantly, to help Drew Brees. He’s a smaller quarterback who needs to see his passing lanes, so the Saints have always built their line with massive guards, going back to Jahri Evans, Ben Grubbs and Carl Nicks. They pair those big bodies who can keep the pocket firm with big athletic tackles who can manage the width of the pocket. The Saints have used the draft, free agency, and trades to build this unit.

Plus Brees has like 2 inches and extra pounds on Young. Brees compared to Young would be like Mahomes/Rodgers compared to Brees.

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10 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Has anyone actually talked to any Florida fans about him? I feel like it’s pretty telling that the mass majority of them think he was hot garbage. 
 

Are we really buying that he’s in consideration?

I think he’s going to be better in the pros than in college easily. I’ve said this a bunch. There was a lot of drama and a lack of talent at Florida this year and he suffered for it. 

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I am more interested in the between the ears at this point.  We've seen you can have the greatest potential, but not have the processing speed, mental toughness or ability to learn a playbook many many times in this league.   I really don't want to go with the combine stuff to pic a QB.  I want someone that has proven they can make smart, quick decisions under pressure.  

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7 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Dalton signed with the Bears expecting to be the starter as they didn't have a high pick, they then traded up for Fields and still started Dalton the first few weeks until he got hurt.  Dalton has also said he knows he's here to be a backup and mentor, he knows he's not starting week 1.

Jimmy G wasn't brought in to be Lance's mentor, they drafted Lance with the intention of letting Jimmy play out that first year and let Lance learn to take over in year 2, which they did until he got hurt.

Cam was always going to be the starter from day 1 and was MILES ahead of AR in his readiness, so the backup needed to be a seasoned vet who would be ready to step in if Cam got hurt, and help him behind the scenes, not on the field as much.

If the plan was AR, you sign one of the better QBs and more mobile than Dalton, like a Brissett, Two Gloves or even Heinicke, because you'd be starting them probably this whole season but can still run the style offense that you're likely going to try and build around AR.  Having AR spend his rookie year learning and practicing an offense built for Andy Dalton would be a waste of a season, you want him learning the system he'll play with from day 1.

The whole point of Anthony Richardson isn't that you design an offence around him running - the running is the sprinkle on top. He's an actual pocket QB that happens to run a 4.4.

He'd be able to run the same offence as Dalton, with a whole package of Read-option plays just for him.

Newton had an entire additional year of starting QB experience over Richardson - and he was a QB that you should have done the above with - he was a running QB that happened to be able to throw. 

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7 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Well that's just not true, Drew Brees didn't have a special playbook because he was short, that's just nonsense.

Dalton was brought in because he's what Derek Anderson was to Cam, the seasoned vet who can step in and play if needed, but really there to help the rookie off the field in how to go about being a QB, in the film room, reading defenses, etc.  

The signing of Dalton to me was the clear signal that AR wasn't under serious consideration and that we wouldn't be trading back to #3 like some people here wanted.  Especially when he then said that he knew what his role was, that he was here to backup and support the rookie, he knows the rookie is starting week 1 and that's not going to be AR for anyone (outside of injury to the starter).

I think all of the FA signings on offence have just been about assembling a competent team.

The OLine is good (injuries withstanding) and you have sprinklings of talent at the skill positions, but Hurst, Sanders, Thielen and Chalk provide some veteran competency in their respective position group rooms. 

Andy Dalton absolutely can start Day 1 - he's nowhere near what he once was, but he can hold down the fort until you get your #1 overall pick ready. 

All this talk about the team being in "win-now" mode makes me think some of you are setting yourselves up for disappointment next season. We're installing a brand new offence and defence with a brand new coaching staff and (presumably) a rookie QB. We're not going to come out of the gates like gangbusters. 

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We will be the laughing stock of the nfl if we take AR.  He simply is not good.  I don’t care what kind of talent he had around him at Florida - his low completion % was more of a result of poor throws than poor WR play.  His accuracy is awful.  At the nfl level he will get picked off often.

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24 minutes ago, Barney said:

I am more interested in the between the ears at this point.  We've seen you can have the greatest potential, but not have the processing speed, mental toughness or ability to learn a playbook many many times in this league.   I really don't want to go with the combine stuff to pic a QB.  I want someone that has proven they can make smart, quick decisions under pressure.  

Which is what his tape shows.

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